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NoNukes
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Message 91 of 95 (694912)
03-30-2013 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by kofh2u
03-30-2013 2:00 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
But Abel IS accounted for in the genealogy and the paleontology.
Abel does not get assigned one of your 22 species names. Why is that?
It's easy to see why Seth would get one of those twenty two names. And we've heard your excuse for not giving Abel such a name. Let's accept that reasoning for the sake of the arguments I make in this post.
Given the above, your correspondence completely fails for the reasons given by Doc Blue Jay. According to the Bible, Noah, and presumably the rest of us is not descended from Abel's brother (species), or from Enoch, Irad, etc. Yet some of those people are part of the 22 rather than part of the cousins described in the book you rely on.
On the other hand, every single one of us is presumably descended from each and every one of the species listed in the book. Further, nothing in the book would correspond to the division that produced your labeling of Noah's sons. How do you make a correspondence between races and species names. Yet you need those sons to fake a 22 count.
It is pretty obvious that your correspondence is a construct of your attempts to match up the book, which is by no means the authoritative statement on human lineage with your whittled down in some places, expanded in others 22 count from Genesis.
This is not just numerology, it is bad numerology.
ABE:
Which of the 22 names in the book corresponds to Ham? Or just respond to Blue Jays post.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : Ask Ham question.
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Eli
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Message 92 of 95 (695048)
04-02-2013 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by kofh2u
03-30-2013 1:53 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
I thought I had alredy posted here before I left last week that you list contains chronospecies or duplicates that are just other names given to the same species.
You claimed that. You failed to demonstrate it, however.
You did nmanage to object to at least one species in your own list however. That was pretty amusing.

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Eli
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Message 93 of 95 (695050)
04-02-2013 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by kofh2u
03-30-2013 2:02 PM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
2007 edition was the latest book by a qualified team of paleontlogists as far as I know.
What was later and what was different?????
Here is a few of the latest books by most of the people you source
This doesn't even touch on the many papers and articles written on specific species.
Chris Stringer:
Chris Stringer (2007), Homo britannicus. The Incredible Story of Human Life in Britain, London: Penguin, ISBN 0-14-101813-5[4]
Chris Stringer (2011), The Origin of Our Species, London: Allen Lane, ISBN 978-1-84614-140-9
Chris Stringer (2012), Lone Survivors: How We Came to Be the Only Humans on Earth, London: Times Books, ISBN 978-0805088915
Ian Tattersal:
The Fossil Trail: How We Know What We Think We Know, 2008
Paleontology: A Brief History of Life, 2010
Race? Debunking A Scientific Myth, 2011
The Brain: Big Bangs, Behaviors, and Beliefs. I. Tattersall & R. DeSalle, Yale University Press, 2012, ISBN 978-0300175226
Masters of the Planet: The Search for Our Human Origins. Palgrave Macmillan, 2012, ISBN 0-230-10875-X
Richard Milner:
Darwin's Universe: Evolution from A to Z, 2009

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anglagard
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Message 94 of 95 (695067)
04-02-2013 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by kofh2u
03-15-2013 11:25 PM


Re: ...we all have genes from hybridization with lowerforms of man...
I have a question.
If an infallible science book collides with an infallible religious book is it like an unstoppable force colliding with an immovable object or does it create an ever-inflating expansion of universal nonsense?
22 species of humans forever and ever, nothing new to be found for all eternity. Guess we should quit looking since the final word has been written.
Can hardly wait to celebrate the second coming of the dark ages.
Kofh2u, you need to take a step back and see how this whole thread is based on a premise that is nothing more than an ironic joke.
But of course, perhaps that was the intent.

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NoNukes
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Message 95 of 95 (695089)
04-02-2013 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Eli
04-02-2013 10:09 AM


Re: Not 22, so what's the point...
You did nmanage to object to at least one species in your own list however. That was pretty amusing.
I did not see this funny error. I'll admit that my eyes were glazing over when looking at this stuff.
But his rejection of Homo georgicus is pretty thin. Neither his reference nor his own comments support not counting this as a species.
I'll note also that for Homo wushanensis his avoids citing wikipedia despite doing so in many other cases; probably because wikipedia says:
quote:
Originally considered a subspecies of Homo erectus (H. e. wushanensis), it is now thought to be based upon fossilized fragments of an extinct non-hominin ape
Instead he pastes in a google search pointing to who knows what...
Also for Denisova Hominin, the reference is far less certain than kofh2u lets on that Denisova Hominin is not another species.
Australopithecus sediba is clearly identified as a species at kofh2u's wikipedia link. I cannot make the huffington post link work, so I cannot evaluate what is there.
Kofh2u's refusal to accept Australopithecus bahrelghazali based on his quote from wikipedia is on extremely shaky ground. The consensus reported is that this is a separate species.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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