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Message 206 of 341 (693448)
03-15-2013 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by kofh2u
03-14-2013 9:46 PM


Re: ...making up half truths is actually telling lies...
So for people who CAN understand the correspondence between one man who was a common ancestor for all people living today, we can see that the Noah story dove tails perfectly with the facts.
You are ignoring all of the other ancestors that lived at the same time who also have descendants in the current population. You are ignoring all of the uncommon ancestors.
This is a rather simple concept to understand by looking at your grandparents. Your mother's father is your ancestor, but you do not carry his y-chromosome. Does that mean that your mother's father is not one of your ancestors? Your father's mother did not give you your mitochondria, so does that mean that she is not one of your ancestors?
A y-chromosome MRCA and a mit-DNA MRCA does not indicate that the human population was founded by a single couple. In fact, the genetic variation elsewhere in our genome argues strongly against it. Mitochondria and y-chromosomes are just 2 genetic markers out of millions in our genome, and the common ancestors for those other markers are going to people other than mit-DNA Eve and Y-chromosome Adam.
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Message 208 of 341 (693453)
03-15-2013 3:05 PM
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03-15-2013 2:27 PM


Re: ...making up half truths is actually telling lies...
When the genetic studies show that all Jewish priests living today are related to just one man, presumaby Aaron, who lived in 1362BC, it means that all the males from that time forward were in their common ascent.
Why Aaron? How did you determine that a person named Aaron was the source of the Y-chromosome?
Also, those men also have male ancestors who were alive at the same time as the Y-chromosome MRCA. The Y-chromosome is just one genetic marker out of millions, and many of them will have DIFFERENT MRCA's. A Y-chromosome most recent common ancestor in no way indicates that an entire population was spawned by one man.
It means that your mother's father had that same Y-chromosome as did your father.
I guess you are unaware of all the different Y-chromosome haplogroups in the modern population?
Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup - Wikipedia

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Message 284 of 341 (693729)
03-19-2013 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by kofh2u
03-19-2013 12:44 PM


Re: 11 science subforums on Evol Vs Creationism
Sahelanthropus tchadensis is suspected to be the oldest and therefore first in the line of our ascent, i.e., the first "man."
That seems quite arbitrary. Why not our common ancestor with all mammals, or all vetebrates?
Hence, the first man, Adam, in Genesis corresponds directly with what Science now suggests was Sahelanthropus tchadensis who lived seven million years ago.
That is ALSO the approximated date when by an Act-of-God, a surrogate mother Ape with 24 chromosomes experienced the chemical fusion of two chromosomes, hence evolving the new creature in God's world with only 23 chromosomes, i.e.the first man, again.
The fixation on chromosome counts is also just as arbitrary. Chromosome number does not define a species. There are mouse species with many different chromosome counts, and there are in fact living humans with 22 pairs of chromosomes that are fit and hale.

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