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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I think there are at least two different kinds of 'crazy'. I know someone who is full blown bi-polar, has had at least 1 psychotic incident where they lost it,and now, for the first time in 6 or 7 years is FINALLY getting health care, and the drugs they need to start the journey to get their health better. During this last few months, they actually had a whole month where they didn't have the audible hallucination of people screaming, and although it returned, it is still much muted... Now, that is one kind of crazy. However, she is a lot more rational when it comes to day to day living than other people She at least KNOWS the voices in her head are self generated due to a chemical imbalance. You can have a rational discussion with her.
Other people who are supposedly 'sane', not so much.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1430 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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yeah, I know a couple artists that need drugs to be "normal" but then can't do their art, and it's a balancing act.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 637 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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On the other hand, they don't want a psychotic episode either. That can be very damaging, and if it goes too far, then they wouldn't be able to do their art anyway.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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Ramoss points out:
if it goes too far, then they wouldn't be able to do their art anyway. Like the western world's prototypical starving artist, Vincent Van Gogh, who ended his life too soon for us in this world, but too late for his own mind. There are many - and I am one - who wish our insanity was so much the stronger to help find the path to our own unimpeded artistic nature. It is as if I see the truly insane as having some great secret conduit to a brilliant, gleaming torch of light, burning with intensity we others can only dream of, albeit so short the flame. They are truly at the battle line, pushing the envelope, where the rest of us wait and see. Soldiers, every one of them. Edited by xongsmith, : Wrong emphasis- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Percy writes: hmmmm *googles* Is there a way to detect craziness early so as to avoid wasting all the time? Or is engaging the craziness profitable in that it brings many rational responses that couch the issues in terms that match reality?quote:I have (or by faith had a gambling problem. Gambling is, by any logical definition crazy. Some would say that belief in God is also crazy, but I would have to differ(without begging ) Dr.A writes: This is why I always use dictionary terms. So we can at least be on the same page regarding definition of terms. As for contrary arguments, I have been known to blame demons at times, but they may simply be the hobgoblins of my little mind.
The only thing that tips me off immediately is when a poster has his own specialized vocabulary that he doesn't bother to define before employing it. In that case either schizophrenia or fairly acute autism has led him to forget that we don't know what he's talking about when he uses the phrases that he makes up. Otherwise, no, we don't know from the get-go. An idea may be unusual, but it cannot be mad in itself. To find out whether the person maintaining the idea is mad, we need to know how he reacts to contrary arguments. Rahvin writes: The problem I have is providing evidence. People think that my belief is based on a faulty foundation of wisdom, but I am getting better at articulating myself, if not defending my belief. Besides...I think the invisible Creator of all seen and unseen needs no defending, anyway.
I think many of those we call "crazy" are simply firmly convinced that their beliefs are accurate. They might be wrong...but if we define "crazy" to include everyone who holds a false belief after being shown invalidating evidence, we'll wind up labeling so many people "crazy" that the term will lose any and all useful meaning. Rahvin writes: How true, Rahvin!
Most people are not accustomed or even particularly interested in critically examining their own beliefs. Most people, when entering an argument or debate, are not interested in changing their own minds...they're interested in changing someone else's.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I guess my simple rule is that once one starts explaining logic or English then it is time to give up, not that I follow this rule all the time. But are there other helpful signs? Yeah, there is an extremely helpful sign; namely the handle of the poster. Except for the very newest posters, the people who will be a waste of time in the next thread emphasizing logical discussion of law, history, science, the constitution, current events, etc. are the same people who wasted your time in the last four such threads they participated in. If you truly want to avoid wasting your time, you don't have to wait for the all caps, multi-colored, large font posts, or the heartfelt arguments that jump shark. You know those things are coming. But those things are also part of the fun. Those ridiculous posts allow you to post paragraph long dismantlements with relentless, attack proof logic; perhaps with a little faux testiness or snark. And as you suggest, the truth does get in front of the lurkers.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0
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I guess my simple rule is that once one starts explaining logic or English then it is time to give up, not that I follow this rule all the time. But are there other helpful signs? The average person's understanding of "logic" is "what makes intuitive sense to me." The average person also has a different understanding of words like "theory" and "evolution" from the scientifically relevant usages of those terms. Most people in the US have learned about "logic" from Spock on Star Trek. Most people in the US have learned more about evolution from comic books and Pokemon and the creationist propagation of inaccuracies and outright falsehoods than they have from actual sources of accurate information. That doesn't mean they're insane. It means they've been deceived, that they are ignorant, that they are the victims of an extremely poor educational system that focuses far too much on rote memorization and standardized testing and not nearly enough on critical thinking skills or the actual acquisition of knowledge. The real world regrettably does not provide us with informed actors. It provides us with people who have never heard any real support of the subject matter, and who are instead fed PRATTs as if they were true refutations of accepted scientific theory. They are indoctrinated to distrust "authority" and the "educated elite" and to instead rely upon their own ignorant and irrational "gut." They are taught to equate the acceptance of scientifically accurate and verifiable models of reality with immorality and the rejection of their core social identity. It's insanity, sure, but the people themselves are not insane. The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995.
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