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Author Topic:   What does being crazy really look like?
NoNukes
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Message 15 of 37 (690770)
02-16-2013 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
02-15-2013 10:12 AM


Is there a way to detect craziness early so as to avoid wasting all the time?
I don't think the people who are crazy are the time wasters. The only people who go back and forth with someone like Mabus are people who are enjoying the exercise.
For me, the real time wasters are not crazy at all. They are instead the people you originally described. Namely the people whose arguments have gaping holes in logic that you believe they would acknowledge after a few words of rebuttal, even if they don't change their ultimate position. But somehow there never seems to be the right combination of words to see their error. If you are lucky they'll make some truly,shark jumping statement that let's you know its time to move on.
My observation is that people in this group employ flagrant stalling tactics. The best response to that is to call them on it, and to drop discussing with them if you don't get a satisfactory answer. And no I'm not going to cite any examples.
I don't believe there is single current poster that I'm convinced is crazy. If reach the conclusion that poster is crazy, I won't engage them. But I cannot seem to resist the true time wasters.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 29 of 37 (690815)
02-16-2013 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dr Adequate
02-16-2013 3:29 AM


But these are the crazy people. That's what madness is.
I don't agree with this definition. At least some of these people are not generally crazy. I've noticed a few posters who who seem fairly normal except when posting on a few particular subjects. On those subjects those posters seem completely irrational. I'm reluctant to call those posters crazy.
There are a few current posters who obviously don't appreciate logical arguments because they rarely use such arguments on their own behalf. I don't consider such posters crazy. I'm sure they can function well in society and work well when they aren't in situations where they need to use logic to convince anyone of anything. That probably described most occupations.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 36 of 37 (691228)
02-21-2013 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
02-16-2013 9:08 AM


Smelly elephant 'hidden' under carpet
I guess my simple rule is that once one starts explaining logic or English then it is time to give up, not that I follow this rule all the time. But are there other helpful signs?
Yeah, there is an extremely helpful sign; namely the handle of the poster. Except for the very newest posters, the people who will be a waste of time in the next thread emphasizing logical discussion of law, history, science, the constitution, current events, etc. are the same people who wasted your time in the last four such threads they participated in.
If you truly want to avoid wasting your time, you don't have to wait for the all caps, multi-colored, large font posts, or the heartfelt arguments that jump shark. You know those things are coming.
But those things are also part of the fun. Those ridiculous posts allow you to post paragraph long dismantlements with relentless, attack proof logic; perhaps with a little faux testiness or snark. And as you suggest, the truth does get in front of the lurkers.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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