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Message 76 of 860 (682659)
12-04-2012 12:08 PM
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12-04-2012 12:07 PM


Re: Chat on the blink?
I just got in.

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Message 77 of 860 (682662)
12-04-2012 12:23 PM
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12-04-2012 12:07 PM


Re: Chat on the blink?
Seems to be working - suggest (in this order):
  • Restarting browser.
  • Different browser.
  • Reinstalling Java.
  • Rebooting.

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Message 78 of 860 (683058)
12-06-2012 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by NoNukes
12-01-2012 3:24 AM


The "The SEVEN "DAYS" WERE GEOLOGICAL ERAS" topic
Is this new thread Message 1 legitimate? I don't see any question posed.
Legitimate? Probably not. But I thought that it truly needed to be isolated into it's own topic. Although, in hindsight, I shouldn't have put it into the "Dates and Dating" forum.
NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE IN THIS TOPIC. ANY DISCUSSION SHOULD GO TO THE General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') TOPIC.
By the way, the Crashfrog and whomever was also taking part discussion (upthread) really shouldn't have happened in this topic. Bad, very bad.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 79 of 860 (683059)
12-07-2012 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by cavediver
11-28-2012 5:36 AM


Re: Forever having another meltdown?
I've lost track of what the topic in question is, and Cavediver didn't give a link. Anyway...
Cavediver writes:
Why do we put up with this idiot? Moose has just closed a perfectly respectable, topical, and interesting thread (and I don't blame Moose) because it has been trolled by FEY, and others simply can't help feeding the troll. We're not remedial school, we're not here to handhold some angsty teenager through pubescence, and I don't see why discussion and debate should be curtailed because of one immature poster.
And this has nothing at all to do with that twit jeering everyone in sight, resulting in me losing my perfect 10 score. Not at all. Doesn't bother me one bit. Nope. Did I mention it was 10 before he starting being a twat?
First of all, I don't normally give "Cheers" to messages from the admin mode ID, but I felt Cavediver made a good moderation issue point - "...and others simply can't help feeding the troll.". It's pretty hard for an individual to cause major topic problems without the support of others, be it "feeding the troll" or just blindly "chasing the off-topic" (these may be one and the same). Self moderation by members would be VERY helpful.
Foreveryoung has the burden of being of the minority perspective side. If that wasn't tough enough, he also has publicly admitted to having very significant psychological problems. Thus, I am bending over backwards to try to make this place a beneficial experience for him (aka - not banning him permanently).
Dr Adequate, in response to Cavediver, in message 57, writes:
Because he has a spark of intelligence and morality in him. Deep down inside him, I believe, there is a good and sane person fighting to get out.
I fully agree (OSLT).
Huntard, in response to Cavediver, in message 59, writes:
Quite. You know what would've been a perfectly viable solution? Asking him to stop posting to that thread. Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request, and we could've had a reasonable discussion about the glory of a true European Union / World Government.
I think....
An even more immediate solution would have been for others not to post responses (which, since FEY was off-topic, were also off-topic). Sometimes I just want to find the problem message and the chain of responses to that message, and suspend everyone involved.
Problem would've resolved itself within 10 messages after the request,...
I wouldn't bet on it, even if FEY did stop posting. Others could well carry on without his input.
A similar problem is the various other members also chasing kofh2u's "doesn't belong in the topic material".
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS MATTER MUST GO TO THE General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') TOPIC.
Adminnemooseus

Or something like that.

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Message 80 of 860 (683870)
12-14-2012 8:47 AM


Language difficulties
morningstar2008 is having communication issues...
Message 341
Message 214

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 81 of 860 (683890)
12-14-2012 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Panda
12-14-2012 8:47 AM


Re: Language difficulties
I don't think he is having difficulties. I think he is posting exactly what he intends to post. It's time for a warning shot across the bow.
NoNukes from the high seas.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 82 of 860 (683892)
12-14-2012 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by NoNukes
12-14-2012 11:46 AM


Re: Language difficulties
To be fair to him, he still makes more sense than most creationists.

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Message 83 of 860 (684667)
12-18-2012 11:55 AM


kofh2u
How long do you we have to put up with this guy posting crap that does nothing but muddy up the threads. He contributes NOTHING.
Message 416

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 84 of 860 (684781)
12-18-2012 4:10 PM


Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
...go a bit too far over the line.
Crashfrog
Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck. He'll have to tell me; fucking children isn't my thing. Whatever works for him, though.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 85 of 860 (684789)
12-18-2012 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Rahvin
12-18-2012 4:10 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
...go a bit too far over the line.
Oh, come on. This is plainly "Mom, Crash hit me back!"-type complaining. I didn't make a personal attack; I asked Panda to clarify his non sequitur:
Crash writes:
Who cares, though? What good is it to reduce one category of deaths at the expense of a greater increase in others? Again, gratz on the guns or whatever, but if more people were murdered in aggregate, what the fuck was it worth? I don't think society has a vested interest in shifting how people are murdered. Can you explain why you think it does?
Panda writes:
Fuck those kids, right?
Crash writes:
Which kids? I don't follow.
Vimsey writes:
Seriously ?
Crash writes:
Yeah, which ones. There's a context for my remarks, here, and it didn't involve children, so unspecified "kids" are a non sequitur I don't understand. Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck.
I guess I could have phrased it better, but I was just trying to get Panda to explain his non sequitur about fucking children. Can anybody explain to me how that's in-context or on-topic? Should I have not been surprised, or something, that Panda responded to a question about the social utility in displacing one kind of homicide to another by saying "fuck those kids, right?"

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Message 86 of 860 (684805)
12-18-2012 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by crashfrog
12-18-2012 4:46 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
Message 366
Panda writes:
Crashfrog writes:
But, nobody's getting killed with a gun! Well, except about fifty people every year. But fuck those guys, right?
Wrong. We are trying to reduce gun crime even further.
Perhaps you should try to. It might have saved those children.
But you want your toys, so fuck those kids, right?
Crashfrog writes:
Since I wasn't ever talking about fucking children, I'm just wondering which kids Panda wants to fuck. He'll have to tell me; fucking children isn't my thing. Whatever works for him, though.
As usual, your arguments are more projection than fact.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 87 of 860 (684813)
12-18-2012 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Panda
12-18-2012 5:20 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
That post isn't even in the chain of replies, nor did I see it. If your remark "fuck those kids" had been a reference to an earlier post, why didn't you just say so? And again how is "fuck those kids" anything but a non sequitur in a chain of conversation where the context was not about children?
Look, at this time I'd like to register my discontent yet again with how my opponents, in the gun control thread, are being allowed to misrepresent my arguments. Panda and Theodoric are deliberately misrepresenting my support for the claims I'm making as being intended to support other claims, and then they're using the fact that my evidence doesn't support those claims to suggest that I'm not supporting my claims. But, honestly, it's so complex a feint that I don't suppose any of the admins will even be able to see it. Doubtless they'll once again bend over backwards to interpret everyone's remarks with an absurd degree of charity, except for mine.

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Message 88 of 860 (684817)
12-18-2012 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by crashfrog
12-18-2012 5:38 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
Right. You're being persecuted. You totally didn't accuse a poster of being a pedophile in the classic tradition of "exactly when did you stop beating your wife."
Just shut up and let the admins make their call.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 89 of 860 (684819)
12-18-2012 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Rahvin
12-18-2012 5:42 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
You totally didn't accuse a poster of being a pedophile in the classic tradition of "exactly when did you stop beating your wife."
Again, I asked for clarification of a complete non-sequitur comment. That's pretty clear from the chain of conversation. Your attempt to portray it as a serious accusation of pedophilia is a misrepresentation.

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Message 90 of 860 (684821)
12-18-2012 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by crashfrog
12-18-2012 5:44 PM


Re: Perhaps ad hominem attacks suggestive of pedophilia...
Your attempt to portray it as a serious accusation of pedophilia is a misrepresentation.
Nobody thinks its a serious claim. It is just plain vile and reprehensible.
More importantly uncalled for and not acceptable in a civil debate.
Grow up.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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