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nwr
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Message 5 of 105 (682615)
12-04-2012 7:10 AM
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12-04-2012 12:50 AM


As we know, still majority of evolutionists believe in an RNA world hypothesis.
I don't know that. I suspect it is false. The majority are probably those who admit that there is something unknown, yet to be explained.
As far as I know, there are several schools of thought about the origin of life. The two main ones seem to be "RNA first" and "metabolism first".
Personally, I am not committed to either, but I think "metabolism first" the more likely of the two.

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Message 9 of 105 (682648)
12-04-2012 10:28 AM
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12-04-2012 9:27 AM


nwr writes:
Personally, I am not committed to either, but I think "metabolism first" the more likely of the two.
crashfrog writes:
I'm not sure I follow. Could you expand on this?
How do you see metabolism happening without catalysis?
You are reading too much into what I said.
Metabolism is a matter of chemical reactions releasing potential energy of chemical structure, and making that available as kinetic energy (producing motions). Spontaneously occurring chemical reactions do some of that.

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Message 13 of 105 (682686)
12-04-2012 3:55 PM
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12-04-2012 3:21 PM


crashfrog writes:
Well, yes, but how does a putative proto-organism exploit any of that without some degree of catalysis?
Perhaps you missed the "I am not committed to either" part of Message 5. I am not making any claim that all of the problems have been solved.
crashfrog writes:
Metabolism is a matter of living things using enzymes to catalyze chemical reactions to exploit the change in free energy.
Well, okay. If you are committed to life magically popping into existence, then we will have to agree to disagree.
I take the view that life was preceded by some earlier systems which had some but not all of what we would today consider life. That allows a possible path for life to evolve out of spontaneously occurring chemistry. If you are going to insist that terms such as "metabolism" are not to be used outside of what we today consider to be life, then you are a priori excluding such a possibility of predecessors.

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