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Taq Member Posts: 10385 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
and the Cryptic morning of the Hadean Era/ = First Day You have 4 days right there: Early Imbrian, Nectarian, "Ryderian", and Cryptic. And the pattern continues with the other "days".
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
I have already named 2. Here they are again: Grand unification Era and Recombination Era. Why are you excluding them? Pleas accept my apology for confusing your post with another person whose conversation I thought was about the seven geological Eras that correspond to the seven "days." You are quizzing me about the Seven stages of the Big Bang, I and i did not reply concerning that. My answer to your question is simple in regard t, why do I choose to focus on those science reporter who sum to seven the multitude of events in the Big Bang. I simply prefer the short list which incorporates the basic mechanics of the cosmic evolution. There is no end to the infinitesimal enumeration of sub-concepts or detailed analysis a more comprehensive listing could include if so desired. Why do you want as many as necessary in order to merely oppose my arbitrary choice among those available on the Internet?Do YOPU have a single definitive listing of all the events with a particular number you will give us? Or, is it impossible to specify a number which would be satisfactory to all scientists and readers? What number do you recommend?
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
You have 4 days right there: Early Imbrian, Nectarian, "Ryderian", and Cryptic. And the pattern continues with the other "days".
The scientific grouping of these parts to the "day" is sub-divided into parts, like the dawn, morning, afternoon, and evening. I believe by now, though, that most readers see what the Theistic Evoution bible interpretation is saying in regard the seven durations actually being as factual as are the seven separate events listed and described in Genesis. Take it or leave it dead wrong, the way the YECs do, if you like.
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Panda Member (Idle past 4030 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
Fair enough. Pleas accept my apology for confusing your post with another person whose conversation I thought was about the seven geological Eras that correspond to the seven "days." ![]() kofh2u writes:
Excellent. There is no end to the infinitesimal enumeration of sub-concepts or detailed analysis a more comprehensive listing could include if so desired. Then we agree that there is no actual correlation between the 7 (or is it 8?) cosmological eras and any usage of the number 7 in the bible. You have simply arbitrarily chosen 7 eras because it matches your beliefs - and ignored any eras that don't support your claim. kofh2u writes:
And you prefer it not because it is correct but because you want it to support your claims about the bible.
I simply prefer the short list which incorporates the basic mechanics of the cosmic evolution. kofh2u writes:
I don't recommend any particular number - that would involve more research than I care to do. What number do you recommend?I was simply pointing out that your own chosen number of 7 (or is it 8?) is wrong. But, from the small amount of research that I have done, it is more than 12. So, from all the way back in Message 4:
kofh2u writes:
Objectively, the Genesis records are unconnected to what science tells us about cosmological eras. Let's objectively look first at whether Genesis records in the events of its "days" the things which science tells us actually did happen during those seven Eras. In summary, there is no connection between the number of cosmological eras and the number 7 nor the 7 days in the Genesis story. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I fail to distinguish between what you call two uses of "Let there be. Compare the meaning of "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." which you seem to say describes God creating light and... "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven" which you claim is not an act of creation of the sun, moon, or stars.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Eli Member (Idle past 3808 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
The universe isn't 700,000 years old. You are leaving off a shitload of time in which events occurred to get your number. Why don't you continue reading your source so you can finish your count and arrive at a more accurate number?
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Eli Member (Idle past 3808 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
kofh2u Posts Only Cheers/Jeers: Message 92 of 111 (682548)12-03-2012 2:07 PM Reply to: Message 90 by Panda12-03-2012 1:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Selective learning-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why only look at sites that provide 7 or 8 eras? My thinking is that science information ordered in has the mnemonic power of that assocation is invaluable to people's cpability for order-out when they explain these concepts. Since the subjective nature of the choice to do so is often presented, along the innumerable number of such nature sets of seven scientific facts, it makes sense to do so where possible, (which is almost always).
So, you admit that you didn't count seven because of events, but because you want things ordered in sevens because you think it is easier to remember.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3808 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Yeah, no.
That's bullshit.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1711 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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quote: Am I just a little bit thick or did you really make a simple mistake? In the story Ive heard and read the Deity rested on the seventh day. Thus he had only six working days or eras in your claim.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
I don't recommend any particular number - that would involve more research than I care to do. I was simply pointing out that your own chosen number of 7 (or is it 8?) is wrong. But, from the small amount of research that I have done, it is more than 12. And you prefer it not because it is correct but because you want it to support your claims about the bible.
Not that the scientists who report 7 eras are "wrong". They are not "wrong."I point out in Gen 1:1 that there are such short and appropriate summations expressed by the science commuynuty as tge many Chrats they have constructed illustrate. These synoposis of the events which, by the nature of their brevity, still imply an overall comprehensiveness in general.They infer that they include all the minor or less significant details and focus on the actually material changes rather than the points in a still unexplained Theory about why the changes are occurring, (i.,e.; GUT, etc). I choose those summaries of 7 events that occur so much more frequently in the literature because they are useful in their brevity. And, though totally unnecessary to the context of Gen 1:1 without them, they are short enough to slip into the verse for emphasis of my point, the parallel between these two disciplines, Science/Theology. And, because of what follows in the Bible, I chose to start wiy=th this demonstration tht seven is a very convenient number by which Science tends to sum up many ideas, especially those where seven is actually a factual basis for the science itself, such as in the Seven Prime Quantum Numbers that are so inherent to the very matter necessary for the materialization of the Universe. But all of this is off the topic of the seven ![]()
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
kofh2u writes: Let's objectively look first at whether Genesis records in the events of its "days" the things which science tells us actually did happen during those seven (GEOLOGICAL) Eras. Panda:Objectively, the Genesis records are unconnected to what science tells us about cosmological eras. In summary, there is no connection between the number of cosmological eras and the number 7 nor the 7 days in the Genesis story.
"There is no connection between the number of cosmological eras and the number 7 nor the 7 days in the Genesis story," nor was any INTENTIONALLY implied. I believe when you read the first Opening Post you assumed that incorporated into Gen 1:1 was the assertion of an analogy between the famous 7 6 days of creation and that reference to seven divisions of the major BB events. Sorry for the confusion that has followed since.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So, you admit that you didn't count seven because of events, but because you want things ordered in sevens because you think it is easier to remember.
No,...Of course not. It is not I who wrote these lists of seven summary events nor constructed the Charts, of organized the Graphic representations that have been posted.I have done no such a thing. I have merely selected these illustrtaions which scientists, themselves, present to us as an example of using this favorite number of those scientists and of the Bible writers. These illustrations, below, which divide the Big Bang into seven categorries of major events were not mine at all:
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 4137 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Compare the meaning of "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." which you seem to say describes God creating light and... "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven" which you claim is not an act of creation of the sun, moon, or stars.
The text says that the universe was dark initially (no visible light was flooding the cosmos yet). But, at the moment of the creation, high energy electromagnetic energy was present in frequencies well beyond those of visible light. The creation of visible light was implicit in Gen 1:1, with the appearance of the matter from which it is sourced. The reference to "Let there be light" merely marks that moment when the Cosmic Dark Age ended:
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
"Let there be light" marks a moment If there was no visible light prior to "Let there be light" but there was such light afterwards, then visible light was created at the marked time. That's what create means. Perhaps you did not explain so well why 'Let there be' does not usher in a new appearance. I agree that the creation of light should be implicit in the creation of the universe. That is why I see a contradiction between the text and your interpretation of the text which says otherwise. The marked moment involving light is not temporally in the right time. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Panda Member (Idle past 4030 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
I didn't say that the scientists are wrong. Not that the scientists who report 7 eras are "wrong".I said that you are wrong. This can be seen in the message I posted: "I was simply pointing out that your own chosen number of 7 (or is it 8?) is wrong." (I have emphasised the part where I identify yourself as the target of my criticism. I am unable to emphasise the part where I said the scientists are wrong as I didn't.) If you incorrectly use data provided by scientists, that does not make the scientists wrong - it makes you wrong. You are incorrectly using the data provided by scientists - your claims are false - you are wrong. . kofh2u writes:
But mainly you choose them because they support your religious beliefs. I choose those summaries of 7 events that occur so much more frequently in the literature because they are useful in their brevity.And you ignore anything that isn't compatible with your beliefs. That is called Confirmation Bias quote:Which is pretty much exactly what you said: "I simply prefer the short list which incorporates the basic mechanics of the cosmic evolution." You are also Cherry Picking: quote:These lead you to making unevidenced and wrong claims. . kofh2u writes:
All you had was your assertion that they both numbered 7 (or was it 8?). And, though totally unnecessary to the context of Gen 1:1 without them, they are short enough to slip into the verse for emphasis of my point, the parallel between these two disciplines, Science/Theology.But that has been shown to be wrong. There is no parallel. . Would you consider the fact that there are 7 months in the year to be evidence to support the genesis account?Would you consider the fact that there are 7 suns in our solar system to be evidence to support the genesis account? Would you consider the fact that there are 7 galaxies in our universe to be evidence to support the genesis account? Would you? Or would you point out that those 'facts' are wrong? Well, your claim that there are 7 cosmological eras is wrong."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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