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Taq
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Message 91 of 310 (682547)
12-03-2012 3:02 PM
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12-03-2012 1:56 PM


Re: Selective learning
The focus is on events, which are marked in the rocks in seven places.
There are more than 7 events marked in the rocks. If the Bible said that there were 12 creation days you would claim that there are 12 events marked in the geologic record. We can all see what is going on here.
You could just as easily divide it up into 13 sections: Hadean, Archean, Proterozoic, Cambrian, Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Carboniferous, Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous, Paleogene, and Neogene. Each of these sections can be further divided up. You are just picking the number 7 because that is the number you want. There is no objective reason why geologic history should be divided up into 7 sections and no other number of sections.

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Message 92 of 310 (682548)
12-03-2012 3:07 PM
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12-03-2012 2:07 PM


Re: Selective learning
Why only look at sites that provide 7 or 8 eras?
My thinking is that science information ordered in has the mnemonic power of that assocation is invaluable to people's cpability for order-out when they explain these concepts.
Since the subjective nature of the choice to do so is often presented, along the innumerable number of such nature sets of seven scientific facts, it makes sense to do so where possible, (which is almost always).
It also raises this very question you ask, which apparently is the reason the Biblke uses 7 and 12 so inordinately, too.
If you read back, you can see that we have already entertained this idea in:
Gen 1:1, the seven stages of the BB
Gen 1:6, the seven bodies of waters on earth.
Gen 1:7,8 the seven spheres that surround the planet earths above.
Gen 1:9 the seven large tectonic plates
Gen 1:10 the seven seas and the seven layer from the core of the earth outward.
(The point might be better understood when we consider a thread concerned the value of teaching Evolution while referencing the Book of Genesis is parallel using this analogous interpretation.)

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kofh2u
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Message 93 of 310 (682549)
12-03-2012 3:17 PM
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12-03-2012 3:02 PM


Re: Selective learning
There are more than 7 events marked in the rocks.
LOL
Of course.
Genesis and geology are referring to major events.
Those events are sub-divided too.
Seven (7) Major historically events are those which also compare one-to-one with the events of the history of the cosmic unfolding in Genesis to which we are referring in this thread.

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Message 94 of 310 (682550)
12-03-2012 3:21 PM
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12-03-2012 3:17 PM


Re: Selective learning
Genesis and geology are referring to major events.
And you are arbitrarily deciding what those events are so that you arrive at the answer you wanted to start with.
Seven (7) Major historically events are those which also compare one-to-one with the events of the history of the cosmic unfolding in Genesis to which we are referring in this thread.
There are 13 major events, as I showed earlier. Therefore, Genesis does not align with the geologic history.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 95 of 310 (682551)
12-03-2012 3:29 PM
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12-03-2012 3:07 PM


Re: Selective learning
You forgot the Seven Mounds of Bullshit that you keep piling up around here, kofh. The reason the Bible used 7 and 12 and 40 so much is that it's based on traditions that included a whole buttload of numerology - and their flavor of numerology liked those particular numbers. Mayans liked 20 real well.
Have you seen the movie "A Beautiful Mind?"

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Message 96 of 310 (682552)
12-03-2012 3:30 PM
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12-03-2012 3:02 PM


Re: Selective learning
There is no objective reason why geologic history should be divided up into 7 sections
You could just as easily divide it up into 13 sections:
NOT "geological history."
We are NOT concerned with Geological History.
We ARE concerned with using geology to report the History of the Earth.
To make this distinction clear, when biologists want to describe the History of Life on earth, they use five division in the rocks where different evidence tells them that "the first sprouts of life on Earth" (gen 1:11) appeared during the Archean eon.
Then protozoan life forms appear only when the Protozoic eon begins.
This history then reports complex animal life, evidenced in the rocks of the Paleozoic era.
But the history inside the rocks then tells them that a mass extinction of almost all that life occurred, and the rocks in the Mesozoic layers show totally different species had arisen thereafter.
Another mass extinction and renaissance of totally different species is evidenced in the Cenozoic rocks.
Gen 1:11 And (The First Cause?), God, said, Let the earth bring forth (bacteria, i.e.; NOTE: the Hebrew word is not grass but means "first sprouts of life on Earth"), "grass," (from which condition shall evolve) the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, (all the Plant Kingdom to come), whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
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Message 97 of 310 (682553)
12-03-2012 3:33 PM
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12-03-2012 3:07 PM


Re: Selective learning
kofh2u writes:
My thinking is that science information ordered in has the mnemonic power of that assocation is invaluable to people's cpability for order-out when they explain these concepts.
Since the subjective nature of the choice to do so is often presented, along the innumerable number of such nature sets of seven scientific facts, it makes sense to do so where possible, (which is almost always).
But can you explain why you are ignoring the other eras?
The other eras exist.
You are choosing to ignore them.
Why?
kofh2u writes:
It also raises this very question you ask, which apparently is the reason the Biblke uses 7 and 12 so inordinately, too.
That is not the question I raised.
The question I raised is:
Other eras exist.
You are choosing to ignore them.
Why?

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 98 of 310 (682559)
12-03-2012 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kofh2u
12-01-2012 1:38 AM


1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day
2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day
3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day
4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day
5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day
6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day
7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day
Let me get this straight....
This:
quote:
This era begins with the formation of the Solar System and the Earth from planetesimals in the solar nebula. Mineral evolution begins at this time (although presumably it has already occurred many times in other, early, solar systems.
Corresponds with this:
quote:
I1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.
That's Day 1.
Then Day 2:
quote:
The name says it all; a hellish period lasting some 760 million years, when the Earth was subject to frequent bombardment by comets, asteroids, and other planetary debris. This era begins when a Mars-sized body struck the original Earth, pulverizing both, and reforming into the current Earth-moon binary. Gradually the molten Earth cools, outgassing of first atmosphere and oceans, bombardment by left-over planetesimal and debris. The Hadean eon was characterized by extensive volcanism and formation of the first crust. Following a second period of cosmic bombardment, by the end of the Hadean, the Earth had an atmosphere (unbreathable to most organisms today), and oceans filled with water.
goes with:
quote:
6 And God said, Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water. 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault sky. And there was evening, and there was morningthe second day.
Day 3:
quote:
Lasting more than twice as long as the Phanerozoic eon, the Archean was a time when diverse microbial life flourished in the primordial oceans, and the continental shields developed from volcanic activity. The reducing (anaerobic) atmosphere enabled Archaea (anaerobic microbes) to develop, and plate tectonics followed a regime of continental drift different to that of the Proterozoic and later. During this era, one type of organism, the Cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) produced oxygen as a metabolic by-product; the eventual build-up of this highly reactive gas was to eventually prove fatal to many life-forms, and converted the atmosphere from.
to:
quote:
9 And God said, Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear. And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground land, and the gathered waters he called seas. And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds. And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morningthe third day.
Day 4:
quote:
The Proterozoic, which lasted even longer than the Archean Era, saw the atmosphere changes from reducing to oxygenated, driving the original anaerobic inhabitants of the Earth into a few restricted anoxic refuges and enabling the rise of aerobic life (both prokaryote and the more complex eukaryotic cell, which requires the high octane boost that oxygen enables.) Stromatolites (colonial cyanobacteria), which had appeared during the Archean, were common. The modern regime of continental drift began, and saw the formation of supercontinent of Rodinia, and several extensive ice ages. Late in the Proterozoic a runaway icehouse effect meant that the preceding warm conditions were replaced by a "Snowball Earth" with ice several kilometers deep covering the globe. Warming conditions saw the short-lived Ediacarian biota and finally the appearance of first metazoa.
to:
quote:
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. 16 God made two great lightsthe greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morningthe fourth day.
Day 5:
quote:
Early in the 300 million year history of the Paleozoic, atmospheric oxygen reached its present levels, generating the ozone shield that screens out ultraviolet radiation and allows complex life to live in the shallows and finally on land. This era witnessed the age of invertebrates, of fish, of tetrapods, and (during the Permian) reptiles. From the Silurian on, life emerged from the sea to colonize the land, and in the later Paleozoic pteridophyte and later gymnospermous plants flourished. The generally mild to tropical conditions with their warm shallow seas were interspersed with Ordovician and Permo-Carboniferous ice ages. Towards the end of the Paleozoic the continents clustered into the supercontinent of Pangea, and increasingly aridity meant the end of the great Carboniferous swamps and their unique flora and fauna. The Paleozoic was brought to an end by the end Permian mass-extinction, perhaps the most severe extinction the planet has seen.
to
quote:
20 And God said, Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky. 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth. 23 And there was evening, and there was morningthe fifth day.
Day 6:
quote:
Lasting little more than half the duration of the Paleozoic, this was a spectacular time. The generalized archosaurian reptiles of the Triassic gave way to the dinosaurs, a terrestrial megafauna the like of which the Earth has not seen before or since. While dinosaurs dominated the land, diverse sea-reptiles ruled the oceans, and invertebrates, especially ammonites, were extremely diverse. Pterosaurs and later birds took to the sky. Mammals however remained small and insignificant. Climatic conditions remained warm and tropical worldwide. The supercontinent of Pangea broke up into Laurasia and Gondwana, with different dinosaurian faunas evolving on each. During this era modern forms of corals, insects, new fishes and finally flowering plants evolved. At the end of the Cretaceous period the dinosaurs and many other animals abruptly died out, quite likely the result of an asteroid impact and associated extensive volcanism (acid rain)
to
quote:
24 And God said, Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind. And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
29 Then God said, I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the groundeverything that has the breath of life in itI give every green plant for food. And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morningthe sixth day.
Day 7:
quote:
With the extinction of the dinosaurs and the end of the Mesozoic, the mammals swiftly inherit the Earth. Archaic mammals co-existed with birds and modern reptiles and invertebrates. The current continents emerged, and the initial tropical conditions were replaced by a colder drier climate, possibly caused by the Himalayan uplift. The appearance of grass meant the rise of grazing mammals, and the cooler drier world allowed modern mammalian groups to evolve, along with other lineages now extinct and a few archaic hold-overs. Among the newcomers were the anthropoid apes that culminated in the australopithecine hominids of Africa. Decreasing temperatures and a polar landmass of Antarctica resulted in a new Ice Age. Most recently, in the blink of an eye geologically speaking, this era saw the rise of Man (Homo erectus, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon) and use of stone tools and fire, the extinction of Megafauna, and civilization and human activities that have transformed the globe, but at a cost of great environmental destruction.
to
quote:
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
Is that how you have everything lining up? because I can already see some problems and we haven't even gotten into it yet.
But I want to make sure I'm arguing against what you're actually proposing so let me know if I've gotten anything mixed up.

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Message 99 of 310 (682561)
12-03-2012 5:31 PM
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12-03-2012 3:29 PM


Re:Mnemonic learning
The reason the Bible used 7 and 12 and 40 so much is that it's based on traditions that included a whole buttload of numerology - and their flavor of numerology liked those particular numbers.
You have it backwards.
The reason for numerology is that ancient wise guys thought that 3, 5, 7 12, and such repetitious bible numers had some magic potential that could be used to count out the letters of names and such.
Actually, the reason was that the priests marked their hands in these mathematical set.
In the desert, before the Torah was written down, they did this so they could use the space on the fingers for a Loci Memory System to remember the Oral Torah and keep the facts straight:
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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Message 100 of 310 (682562)
12-03-2012 5:35 PM
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12-03-2012 5:31 PM


Re: Re:Mnemonic learning
The reason for numerology is that ancient wise guys thought that 3, 5, 7 12, and such repetitious bible numers had some magic potential that could be used to count out the letters of names and such.
And they were about as correct about that as you seem to be - not so much, in other words.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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kofh2u
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Message 101 of 310 (682563)
12-03-2012 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Panda
12-03-2012 3:33 PM


Re: Selective learning
But can you explain why you are ignoring the other eras?
The other eras exist.
You are choosing to ignore them.
Why?
Name five or six that I am ignoring if you can.
What I am doing is correlating the historical events listed in Genesis with those three major rock layers in the Pre-cambrian tmes before the rocks evidenced significant evidence of life,... and with the three major rock layers in the phranerozoic tmes when the rocks evidenced significant evidence of life.

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Message 102 of 310 (682564)
12-03-2012 5:47 PM
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12-03-2012 5:38 PM


Re: Selective learning
Name five or six that I am ignoring if you can.
Take your pick from any on of these 50 or so divisions:
404

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Message 103 of 310 (682565)
12-03-2012 5:51 PM
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12-03-2012 5:14 PM


Let me get this straight....
No, you get the idea but they are lined up like this:
1. Chaotian evening of the Formative/Cosmologic Era -
and the Cryptic morning of the Hadean Era/ = First Day
2. Early Imbrian evening of the Hadean Era -
and the Eoarchean morning of the Archaean Era/ = Second Day
3. Neo-archean evening of the Archaean Era-
and the Paleo-proterozoic morning of the Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day
4. Neo-proterozoic evening of the Proterozoic Era-
and the Cambrian morning of the Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day
5. Permian evening of the Paleozoic Era-
and the Triassic morning of the Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day
6. Cretaceous evening of the Mesozoic Era-
and the Tertiary morning of the Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day
7. Quaternary evening of the Cenozoic Era-
and the Recent Epoch morning of the Common Era/ = Seventh Day
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

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Message 104 of 310 (682566)
12-03-2012 5:52 PM
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12-03-2012 5:47 PM


Re: Selective learning
You give 10, then.

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Message 105 of 310 (682567)
12-03-2012 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by kofh2u
12-03-2012 5:38 PM


Re: Selective learning
kofh2u writes:
Name five or six that I am ignoring if you can.
I have already named 2.
Here they are again: Grand unification Era and Recombination Era.
Why are you excluding them?
kofh2u writes:
What I am doing is correlating the historical events listed in Genesis with those three major rock layers in the Pre-cambrian tmes before the rocks evidenced significant evidence of life,... and with the three major rock layers in the phranerozoic tmes when the rocks evidenced significant evidence of life.
No. You were not.
You were correlating 7 cosmological eras - while ignoring several other eras.
Do you not remember?
Here is a link to one of your own messages: Message 77.
(It is strange that you have already forgotten what you have posted.)
You claim there are 7 (or is it 8?) cosmological eras.
But other cosmological eras exist.
Why are you ignoring them?
Is the question too difficult?
I have asked it many times and you appear unable to answer.
Maybe if I rephrase the question it will help?
Why aren't you including all cosmological eras?
Why are you only using an arbitrary sub-set of eras to support your claims?
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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