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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Academicaly and scientifically correct, how?
Transitory things = piss. So, on the whole, you have claimed that during the big bang specifically in the inflation era 14 billion years ago, the earth was formed... out of piss. What peer reviewed source is that again that you claim confirms this?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
What a lot of wishful thinking.
You even have to change the meaning of words to try to pretend that your beliefs are based on reality. For example, the word "void" certainly does not mean "not valid as a sphere yet- i.e.; an accretion disk" at all. The word 'void' means empty space. Changing language to fit your ridiculous beliefs?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You are completely skipping the 'Let there be' portions of day four. But you don't do that for other days. That suggests to me that you are chosing the wrong meaning for set. Put seems to be the proper meaning. Let there be seems to create the stars.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
I know that you only see 7. These the seven Eras up until now which I see mentioned in the Link:But there are 9 in the link you provided. kofh2u writes:
That is just plain wrong. NOW, The Hadean Era = Matter EraThey overlap, but they are not the same. It is as wrong-headed as saying "Today = this year = this century - therefore they are all the same period of time!" quote:(I emphasised a part of the quote in case you decide to claim it is not an era.) You also excluded the Matter era, even though it began before the earth was formed (which puts it firmly within the scope of the Genesis account).In fact, most of the Genesis account occurs after the Matter Era began. quote: And why are you excluding the other eras I listed?(bolded due to your reluctance to answer.) There are more than 7 cosmological eras - your own link says so. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3847 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Academicaly and scientifically correct, how? Transitory things = piss. Gen 1:2 tells us, first, that t earth is void of its spherical shape, hence we can reason that it is described as in the form of the accretion disk of rotating rocks which are like murky "waters" of hot magma.
This interpretation seems fair and supported by the facts. Theistic Evolution Bible believers prefer to choose this way of understanding Gen 1:2 because it conforms with the truth.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Gen 1:2 tells us, first, that t earth is void of its spherical shape, hence we can reason that it is described as in the form of the accretion disk of rotating rocks which are like murky "waters" of hot magma. Sorry but a disk is still a form. You even say that "hence we can reason that it is described as in the form of the accretion disk of rotating rocks which are like murky "waters" of hot magma." Once again you are simply making shit up and misrepresenting what the Bible says. Genesis 1:2 does not say that the earth was in the form of an accretion disk of rotating rocks which are like murky "waters" of hot magma and in fact it precludes any such interpretation. Since it's clear you have never read Genesis 1, here is Genesis 1:2 for you.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3847 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
There are nine eras: quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Separation of the Electroweak force Close to the end of the quark era, the Electroweak force separated and the weak interaction, from then on, the forces of nature and physical laws were as they are now experienced. This era was about 1.1 microseconds and temperatures reached 1000 trillion degrees. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (I emphasised a part of the quote in case you decide to claim it is not an era.)
1) BBLE, QUIBBLE, QUIBBLE... 2) Here is the exact quote from the link:
The Quark Era This period saw vast number of quark and anti quark pairs forming from energy and then annihilating back to energy. Gluons and other particles also appeared. This eras lifespan was about 100 millionth of a yocto second and was approximately 10 billion billion degrees centigrade. Separation of the Electroweak force
Close to the end of the quark era, the Electroweak force separated and the weak interaction, from then on, the forces of nature and physical laws were as they are now experienced. This era was about 1.1 microseconds and temperatures reached 1000 trillion degrees. Read more:
The link specifically says that the "Separation of the Electroweak force" takes place "near the end of the Quark Era."It is in part of that Era, therefore. The Matter Era is an eighth Era which this science writer counts, as did the other some graphic examples I posted. He describes this eighth somewhat idiosyncratically and differently from the others, but illustrates the science discipline's propensity to favor seven very much as does the bible. ... and eight is't bad anyway: Ecclesiastes 11:2Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3847 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Sorry but a disk is still a form.
This quibbling over every minute point is like the sieve that the Pharisees used to examine what Jesus was saying, while they swallowed their own interpretations of the scriptures which were anti-science and even irrational. Look at the diagram I posted above.Can you NOT see that the form of what was to become a spherical global Earth started formless, as hot gases and as if a vague cloud of matter that was void of a geometric shape???
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A cloud has form. That why we can point to one and say "That is a cloud." A cloud is also not void.
You are just making shit up and moving the goal posts at will.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You want us to believe that the dust cloud was void, formless, and also to constitute 'the waters' for God to move across. Then later on, you want the waters to be the ocean. I find that quite a bit of a stretch.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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This is nothing more than mental self loving. If the Bible said that there were 9 days you would claim that there were 9 eras. If the Bible said that there were 4 days you would claim that there are 4 eras. You are arbitrarily dividing up time to fit your preconceived conclusions.
What is stopping me from claiming that there are 20 eras?
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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
kofh2u writes: Gen 1:2 tells us, first, that t earth is void of its spherical shape, hence we can reason that it is described as in the form of the accretion disk of rotating rocks which are like murky "waters" of hot magma. This interpretation seems fair and supported by the facts. Theistic Evolution Bible believers prefer to choose this way of understanding Gen 1:2 because it conforms with the truth.
No, it doesn't tell us what attributes the earth is void of. You cannot say that it tells us it is void of it's spherical shape anymore than I can pinpoint that it may be saying it is void of life, light, void of its moon, void of anything in particular. You might be able to make a case for "without form" but, as it has already been pointed out, an accretion disk is a particular form. So, no, your interpretation is not fair or supported by the facts. waters does not mean "magma." That is not an interpretation. It is an interjection. The facts are that there is enough ambiguity in the language, that on the merits of a single verse alone, your private interpretation may be acceptible to you, but there really is no substance to the interpretation and no valid reason for the interjections. And I don't know what you mean by "theistic evolution bible believers prefer this interpretation." Theistic evolutionists do not try to make the bible conform to science. Such confirmation biases are not preferable to theistic evolutionists. They prefer to claim that these passages are figurative, not literal, and they refuse the idea that the bible is meant to be a science book.
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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
kofh2u writes: The link specifically says that the "Separation of the Electroweak force" takes place "near the end of the Quark Era."It is in part of that Era, therefore. That doesn't mean that the electroweak era is not its own. This is more numerological bullshit and cognitive bias.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3740 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
kofh2u writes:
If the number of eras is just quibbling, then why do you keep saying it is 7? 1) BBLE, QUIBBLE, QUIBBLE...It is clearly more than 7 - but you keep quibbling over it. kofh2u writes:
The article's inclusion of an 8th era is indicative of its fondness for the number 7? The Matter Era is an eighth Era which this science writer counts, as did the other some graphic examples I posted. He describes this eighth somewhat idiosyncratically and differently from the others, but illustrates the science discipline's propensity to favor seven very much as does the bible.hahah! kofh2u writes:
How about '9'? ... and eight is't bad anyway: So far you have provided:1) The Inflation Era 2) The Quark Era 3) Hadron Era 4) Lepton Era 5) Nucleosynthesis Era 6) Opaque Era 7) Matter Era And from your own link: 8) The Planck Era 9) Separation of the Electroweak force Then there are other eras you are conveniently ignoring:10) Grand unification Era 11) Recombination Era Is '11' a good number as well?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Eli Member (Idle past 3519 days) Posts: 274 Joined:
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Bottom line:
Cognitive bias is the antithesis to scientific inquiry and academic honesty. If we begin with an agenda that we need to break things up into sevens, we are no longer talking about science.
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