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Author Topic:   The origin of the great religions: Sumar?
tesla
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Message 1 of 2 (680855)
11-21-2012 1:47 PM


I have long studied Christian text, and some Jewish texts and Sumerian interpretations, and can only conclude that they all have evolved from the same initial source: The Sumerian story of creation.
If one of you is a well-studied historian on ancient movements of peoples, I want to supply two texts that appear to validate my assumption.
I want to conclude, that the success of modern man was through a successful governing force that made cooperation between each other possible, and that the cooperation led to great civilizations, which ultimately began to disagree when they moved from each other, and then warred over the very doctrine that united people into cooperation in the first place.
My reasoning: The church was the governing power, having no separation between church and state, the church was the state.
As taught from children the text and Sumerian legend in various forms, handed down by believers through their behaviors, practices, and holidays to preserve the beliefs, which became religions.
I say the Sumerian is the earliest start of many major religions because it speaks of the order of Melchizedek: The bread and wine and many other elements in genesis apparently derived from the epic of Gilgamesh. (http://www.thehermetica.com/theepicofgilgamesh.htm) And Jewish text of at least one person speaks of the change in Jewish literature of the formation of the world changing from a battle born creation into one in which god nods his head saying "Good" "Good".
So, if Sumerian texts refer to Melchizedek, and to bread and wine, wouldn’t that mean it was the source of those religions base beliefs?
And if a Jewish community leader would refer to Tiamat and the chaotic creation as the initial beliefs, would that not mean that text was changed as people and leaders changed their beliefs and wrote new ones?
So how does any ‘old’ text have any real validity other than people have chosen to believe it?
Ref: Samarian, Creation legend and Arthur Green, Radical Judaism.
quote:
1. When in the height heaven was not named,
2. And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
3. And the primeval Aps, who begat them,
4. And chaos, Tiamat, the mother of them both,--
5. Their waters were mingled together,
6. And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
7. When of the gods none had been called into being,
8. And none bore a name, and no destinies [were ordained];
9. Then were created the gods in the midst of [heaven],
The great gods, all of them, who decree [fate].
131. They entered in before Anshar, they filled [...];
132. They kissed one another, in the assembly [...].
133. They made ready for the feast, at the banquet [they sat];
134. They ate bread, they mixed [sesame-wine].
110. "For the stars of heaven he upheld the paths,
111. "He shepherded all the gods like sheep!
112. "He conquered Tiamat, he troubled and ended her life,"
113. In the future of mankind, when the days grow old,
114. May this be heard without ceasing, may it hold sway for ever!
115. Since he created the realm (of heaven) and fashioned the firm earth,
116. "The Lord of the World," the father Bl hath called his name.
quote:
That tale of uprising and its bloody end, now largely forgotten, was well known to the biblical writers and their audiences. It is reflected in various passages in the prophets, psalms and Job, and is subtly hinted at even within the genesis narrative. But those who wrote Genesis I reframed the story completely. —Arthur green, Radical Judaism

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

  
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Message 2 of 2 (680857)
11-21-2012 2:13 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the The origin of the great religions: Sumar? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
I'll also submit a previous thread on a similar topic 3 years ago: Not Influenced by Surrounding Nations , that topic is dead as one of the main participants it was specifically aimed at is no longer around.
Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.

  
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