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What's the difference between "some form" and "non-exstence"?

1. It had a beginning to exist in existence.
2. It emerged from a state of quasi-existence.
3. It existed eternally but for a finite amount of time.
4. Two half-verses were combined into one universe.

Make sure you don't wet yourself when you have the next bout of wishful thinking.
Your brazen gall offers stiff competition to Tacky's chutzpah, Pandita. If you scroll up the cat's posts you will find already plenty of examples of stuff popping out of nothing in the bigbunkist hypothesis.
Now consider the devil's energy. Energy is convertible to stuff. It's actually stuff translating motion on other stuff. The volume of space allegedly increases all the time. That is exponential indeed. The devil's energy remains constant per each freshly created from nothing cubic unit. Convertible to matter or mass per Einstein. Stuff out of nothing, silly. Zero physical justification in your beloved pseudo-science you suggest the moggy must study more.

Hi Panda, Are you saying it existed in a "extremely hot and dense state" 13.7 billion years ago?If so when did it begin to exist in that "extremely hot and dense state"?ORHad it always existed in that "extremely hot and dense state"?If so what caused it to began to expand 13.7 billion years ago rather than 2 trillion years ago? Good answers.According to science the universe has not always existed in its present form and has been changing all of its existence.According to the Bible it has not always existed in its present form and has been constantly changing.Regardless of how long the universe existed previous to the BB the universe has always existed in some form or the universe had a beginning to exist. I agree.It either existed in existence or it did not exist as there was non-existence.Can you fathom non-existence I believe it has always existed in eternal existence in some form.God Bless,

Hi ringo, Some form = materials that was used in the formation of the universe existed.Non-existence = none of the materials in the universe existed in any form.It would be impossible for 1 particle of any kind to begin to exist in non-existence.If you can fathom what non-existence is then you will understand why it is impossible.God Bless,

It would have been quicker if you had just typed 'No'.

Hi CS,Let's examine your proposals 1 at the time. That would require existence to exist.
Which would mean the materials for creation of the universe would exist.
That is what Genesis 1:1 says, with which I agree.Unless you are proposing that the universe began to exist ex nihilo in existence, is that what you would be suggestion with #1. So it existed in In some manner or to some degree. Definition of quasi- Eternal means infinite duration. In other words without beginning or end.You have proposed an oxymora as something that is infinite can not be finite. So two existing universes combined to create our universe.When did your 2 half verses begin to exist or had the existed eternally in the past?You want to try to come up with a real alternative to the universe having always existed in some form or having a beginning to exist in non-existence.God Bless,

I don't know when it began to exist in that state - and the BBT says nothing about it either. Do you know the word 'tautology'?Anyway, that is a false dichotomy.
There are many other alternatives.
One of them is that a god existed and he began the universe's existence - but there are many others if you don't like that one.Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

What does the word "universe" mean to you?Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

I see you've decided on insisting that your's are the only two options. I have provided other options. If I find time to waste arguing about it with you, then I'll post here again. Until then, good day sir!

Hi Panda, What would cause it to heat up to 100 million trillion trillion degrees at 10 ^-43 if it had not existed eternally at that temperature?Temperature from Stephen Hawking's Universe. Best Paytm Cash Earning Games in India | Free Apps to Win Cash online Yep.

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A tautology is a logical statement in which the conclusion is equivalent to the premise. More colloquially, it is formula in propositional calculus which is always true

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Tautology -- from Wolfram MathWorld

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is a logical fallacy which involves presenting two opposing views, options or outcomes in such a way that they seem to be the only possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false, or, more typically, if you do not accept one then the other must be accepted. The reality in most cases is that there are many in-between or other alternative options, not just two mutually exclusive ones.

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False dilemma - RationalWikiNo one has presented a third option yet. Until then I see it as an axiom of truth. Then by all means present them. Present your evidence that God created the universe ex nihilo.The only things created in Genesis ex nihilo was what was translated as great whales in Genesis 1:21 and mankind male and female in Genesis 1:27 everything else was formed and made from existing material. Knock yourself out presenting other alternatives to existing or beginning to exist.God Bless,

Hi Omnivorous, All that exists in what we call the universe. I have been told by cavediver and others there is nothing outside of the universe.But I do believe that there is existence outside of the universe in which the universe exists and expands.God Bless,

I don't know - and the BBT says nothing about it either. Well, it's time for you to learn something new:

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Tautology is an unnecessary repetition of meaning, using dissimilar words that effectively say the same thing

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Tautology (language) - Wikipedia Please present your evidence to support:

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I believe it has always existed in eternal existence in some form.

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You claimed there were only 2 options.
I then showed you that there was more.
You are now trying to cover up your mistake by moving the goal posts. Who said anything about that god?

Hi Panda, I have not moved the goal posts and there is still only 2 options.You presented:

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One of them is that a god existed and he began the universe's existence

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A god existed.
That god caused the universe you mention to begin to exist.My two options.1. The universe has always existed in some form.
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2. The universe began to exist.The option you presented goes under # 2.Care to try again?God Bless,

I'll remind you of what you actually said:

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It either existed in existence or it did not exist as there was non-existence.

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But, if you want to retract your claim and change it to the 2 options above, then fine.