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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Quite. Post-modern drivel.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7914 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
shows how willing people are to give in to what others say and not actually do something on their own or come up with their own opinion. we all live as slaves in a sense and its pretty (vulgar word here) pathetic.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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LudvanB Inactive Member |
quote: Excuse me...when what apocalypse comes exactly? I can name you at least 5 that should have occured within the last 100 years so perhaps could you clarify as to what appocalypse we're supposed to get.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1510 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: What does Jesus have to do with creation ? If the Bible represents truth, then the events containedwithin it should have left observable evidence, which can be found. It hasn't.
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Solid Snake Inactive Member |
If you think about it the bible is written quite ingeniously. Just about anything can be interpreted from it if you look hard enough. Especially if your trying to make things fit. Thing about the US constitution just about anything can be derrived from it depending on interperetation.
---------------"You go to Hell, You go to Hell and you die!"~Mr. Garrison |
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7914 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: read the bible plz. the book of revelations explains this. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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LudvanB Inactive Member |
quote: OH i see....you're talking about the christian MYTHOLOGICAL appocalypse...whih,incidently,was supposed to occur in the lifetime of Jesus's disciples...almost 2000 years ago.
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"OH i see....you're talking about the christian MYTHOLOGICAL appocalypse...whih,incidently,was supposed to occur in the lifetime of Jesus's disciples...almost 2000 years ago."
--Actually I already showed you how it wasn't.. It seems you are fond of renewing arguments that have had their cages raddled allready. ------------------
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LudvanB Inactive Member |
quote: Actually TC,you have showed that you CHOOSE to believe that this wasen't the case with your personal interpretation of the words of Jesus,an interpretation which i consider fatally flawed,since Jesus was quite clear that he would be returning in their(the actual persons he was talking to) lifetime. You seem to imply that by that he meant "in your and your descendant's lifetime" but the only place where evidence for that interpretation exists is,it would seem,inside your head. Oh and for the record,TC,you have not shown anything to anyone in all the time i've come here...you have given YOUR opinion on matters of evolution and creation but perhaps you should seek someone to explain to you the difference between FACTS and YOU OPINION on facts.
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Actually TC,you have showed that you CHOOSE to believe that this wasen't the case with your personal interpretation of the words of Jesus,an interpretation which i consider fatally flawed,since Jesus was quite clear that he would be returning in their(the actual persons he was talking to) lifetime. You seem to imply that by that he meant "in your and your descendant's lifetime" but the only place where evidence for that interpretation exists is,it would seem,inside your head."
--I guess that when it comes to this, were going to have different views arent we? Meaning that such context is interperetable in this degree (in my opinion, as you have stated, you seem to be pulling it to an extreme), so it is not a valid argument either way is it and should therefor be irrelevant? "Oh and for the record,TC,you have not shown anything to anyone in all the time i've come here...you have given YOUR opinion on matters of evolution and creation but perhaps you should seek someone to explain to you the difference between FACTS and YOU OPINION on facts."--Would you seriously like me to go through your posts since you have come here and quote yoruself in which I have either showed you to be incorrect, missunderstanded, ill-informed, and flawed? You made this statement earlier and I responded with this same thing, I actually had a pile of links at least 48 I believe in which your view was shown to be incorrect, though at the time my temp folder was cleared so when you refreshed it was gone. I am quite sure you would not like me to so, I have been considerably informative in these forums, I am quite sure many could agree on this. ------------------
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7914 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
i would and i dont see how his opinions are any different from assumptions made by scientists.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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LudvanB Inactive Member |
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LudvanB Inactive Member |
quote: I'm not saying that it is...i'm saying that using the terminology "i have allready shown you this or that..." implies that he has somehow PROVEN his point and that i was simply being obstinate on beating a dead horse,which is completely and utterly FASLE. My point is every bit as valid as his or yours in this matter because it is greatly a matter of broad interpretation...but his(and your) interpretation is largly affected by what you WANT as opposed to what IS. You both WANT for the Bible to be true and for Jesus,God,Noah,ect to have existed in the form described in it whereas i dont really care either way...if the Bible is true,than its true and if its not,well its not but i have faith that if God exists,IT's a just God that does not require me to believe in such a narrow interpretation of its nature that is simply not supported by the evidence we gather...IN MY OPINION...i have faith that God does not fault me for my curiosity,my occasional skepticism and my NEED to understand the intricate workings of the universe and most importantly,i have faith that if there is such a place as hell,i've lived a good enough life that i wont be sent there once i croak simply because i was not presented with enough evidence in this life to believe in your or TC's literal interpretation of the Bible. Jesus said,the way to God is through me...and since the way of Jesus is to love your neighbor as you love yourself,i've allready found the way to God.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1510 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: This attitude is common across the whole of this forum, andit's not stopped any of us yet Question though, if you interpret sections of the bible differentlyto other people, how is it that you can assume (maybe you don't but some christian fundamentalists do) that ALL of the translators of the bible interpreted it in exactly the same way ? That SOME of them may have been touched by God is not reallyworth going into since we wil just disagree, but if there is evidence that not evryone inteprets the bible in the same way, and that we can assume that some translators of the bible did so for other than noble intent (King James bible as an example) then how can the bible be claimed as inerrant ? TC has said that different people interpret it differently. This is an inherent problem with ALL understanding of texts,nto just the bible. Each 'interpreter' brings their own context, history, etc. to the interpretive act. Look at how much disagreement there is on the 'meaning' that can be inferred from the fossil record!!
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Peter Member (Idle past 1510 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
This forum is about intelligent design.
What (apart from Dembski's filter .. which is viewed assuspect by many who have looked at it, and which Dembski himself has not suggested can cast light on the debate) in an OBJECT is an indicator of intelligent design ? If I find a watch in a field I assume it was made by someone.Not due to anything inherent in the watch, but because I know about watches, and in my experience all watches I have known were designed and manufactured. If I land an aircraft in a previously unvisited part of theworld, and introduce this technological marvel to the incredulous natives, they are likely, at first (as has happened in the past) to think of it as some great, silver creature of the air (assuming sufficient lack of sophistication in the culture). This opinion is only changed once they have been TAUGHT theorigins of the thing. Without prior knowledge of watches and of technologies for themanufacture of them, is there anything that would indicate design ? You will note (I hope) that this question is NOT about whetheror not there is a creator ... the answer to the above question could lead to both outcomes:: 1) When applied to life, we just don't know the design technologies yet. 2) We cannot detect any design, because there is none. NOTE:: I do not ascribe the origin of life to CHANCE, but tonaturalistic processes. This is NOT the same thing. Chance implies one-off out of the ordinary origin. Natural processes, once understood can be replicated. |
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