Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
Man, I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time, but I love reading your posts. They've got a kind of sing-songie flow to them. They remind me of many rock or pop songs who's lyrics come way close to making sense but don't actually, like by the bands Yes or Coldplay.
You evade fleshing out you conception of creation of a single atom from pure nothing, Macca. Tell the audience how it's done. What is the physical mechanism apart from your second-hand crypto-creo faith?
I haven't said that I even have a conception of "how" an atom can be created from nothing. I'm saying that that conception is no more dfficult than the alternative - and the difficulty of conceiving something has no bearing on the reality of that something anyway.
What is so difficult about the alternative, Macca? Do you have trouble conceiving the atoms to exists? All exist, no matter how many, all interconnected and separated proportionately by varying distances you have the choice of calling either space or time. Simple to conceive. You don't have to strain yourself and ape authority like in the case of imagining nothing, singularities, big holes and expanding black bunks, curved vacuums and suchlike nonsense. It's all around you. It's present, dude.
You mean offers no plausible explanation to those observations. Redshift of the signal explained with stretching intergalactic distances is strictly for birds. Space, time and light speed signal are three sides of a triangle. It's Maxwell's wavelength times frequency. Adding the stretched wavelength to the distance the signal travels is a howler. It's sneaking a fourth side to the triangle. Impossible violation of the formula. No wonder they've got the cosmos measurements all screwed up and have to cook the data to fit the curves. It's all mediaeval and Ptolemaic.
You got it, Macca. Complexity is conserved. Reality is always complex enough anywhere so it is not to be resolved to a primitive singularity. Neither can it go to the other extreme and prove to be as convoluted as the imagination of a human monkey.
Exactly, Whimsy. Only simple-minded crypto-creos are satisfied with primitive solutions like that of all things starting at once in the same place offered by big-bangism.
No, what I am saying is that expansion of space is a ludicrous concept not explaining in any way the observation of the redshift of the signal. Space is an abstraction and not an expandable fabric while the Universe is anywhere already so could not possibly expand. Therefore the explanation of the shift to the red end of the spectrum of the distant radiation signal offered by the quacks is strictly for birds. Apart from making a mockery of the original Maxwell formula. Of course, mathematically the relation could be easily reduced to the relation of sides in a triangle. Speed of light is just a conversion factor between space and time measurements. The cat is not making anything up.
But what should we say to Maddenstein except: "You are a fucking halfwit"?
If the moderators would like to make a suggestion, I'm all ears. But what should we say, what can we say, except that he is mentally handicapped and we cannot cure him?
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