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Larni
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Message 61 of 66 (678162)
11-05-2012 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by jar
11-05-2012 2:04 PM


Re: Books of the Bible...an aside
And each had their scriptures and each was trying to create Christianity in their image.
How can any one beleive any of them, then?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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jar
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Message 62 of 66 (678163)
11-05-2012 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Larni
11-05-2012 6:12 PM


Re: Books of the Bible...an aside
HUH?
Not sure what you are asking.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 63 of 66 (678229)
11-06-2012 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by jar
11-05-2012 6:20 PM


Re: Books of the Bible...an aside
If the various bits of the Bible are rife with socio-politically oriented bias from the authors how can anyone claim the Bible can be trusted about the nature of Yaweh or Jesus or anything it purports to be true.
I could be woefully missing your point but it seems that you are saying that we cannot trust the Bible as a document to teach us about Yaweh and that it is infact a culturally bias record of what people believed at the time?
Is this the case?
Edited by Larni, : Added first ?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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jar
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Message 64 of 66 (678243)
11-06-2012 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Larni
11-06-2012 5:57 AM


Re: Books of the Bible...an aside
If the various bits of the Bible are rife with socio-politically oriented bias from the authors how can anyone claim the Bible can be trusted about the nature of Yaweh or Jesus or anything it purports to be true.
Very little in the Bible tells us about the nature of Yahweh anyway. Jesus is slightly different and again, to understand what the Bible is teaching us about Jesus requires study and work as well as reading in and understanding context.
But that is true of every historical document.
Remember I mentioned that the Old Testament was built around three different collections, Laws or Instruction, the Prophets and lastly Writings.
The New Testament is also a collection of collections; the four Gospels, a semi historical text called Acts of the Apostles, various interoffice memos called Epistles and an apocalyptic tale.
The four Gospels are tales about a character called Jesus. They are similar to tales you might find about any historical character and just as we find with other books the four accounts agree on some points and disagree on others. But they were not the only gospels or without having been edited and redacted over time.
Let me try to give you an example. Consider what many Christians consider the charter statement on what Christians Disciples are supposed to do, what is called The Great Commission.
In The evolution of the Great Commission over time. I try to show the evolution of the Great Commission over time, how it was originally absent from the oldest Gospel and how it changed both its nature and emphasis as it was included in later documents.
Just as when you are looking at historical accounts of Mary I of England you need to examine the story within the context of the author.

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Larni
Member (Idle past 163 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 65 of 66 (678249)
11-06-2012 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
11-06-2012 8:57 AM


Re: Books of the Bible...an aside
So does that mean that people profess who to be Christian without having taken the time to put in the study are making uniformed conclusions about their Saviour?
What method are these people using to inform their conclusions about Yaweh?
Edited by Larni, : Stupid iPhone

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 66 of 66 (678252)
11-06-2012 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Larni
11-06-2012 9:34 AM


more or less informed
You know I won't comment on what other people base their beliefs on. You need to ask them about that.
But we all make uninformed decisions about almost everything. None of us have all the data needed to make informed decisions about such things.
But we can try to be more informed instead of less informed about things. That takes work though, hard work and study whether we are talking about religious beliefs or economics or physics or evolution or geology or ...
Whether we like it or not, bumper stickers and 30 second spots work.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title as topic changes.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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