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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
That's not good enough, Vatican. Good enough for what? Its good enough for my acceptance of the Big Band not being based on faith.
Bill Gaede is as rational as it gets. Oh, yeah, getting deported for being a spy was totally rational ![]() Read on. Don't be shy. You might learn a thing or two. Why don't you present some of the best evidence from it rather than just pointing me in its general direction? And I still don't know what motivates you to want to eliminate scientific knowledge. Please explain that for me.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4287 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Unlike, you, Inadequate, Einstein might have loved the site. He loved good humour and would have enjoyed discussing mathematics with Bill as much as the feline does.
Bill got a different approach. He assumes no observers and inside that framework his is a good model. I do not discard the observer so time as an alternative measure of static distance is still used without re-ifying that concept into arrows and stuff. Otherwise, Albert had no time for big bunks, singularities and the rest of the articles of your faith. If you are not aware of that.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Not only has he got the T-shirt - I believe he has grown the warts, built the bridge, and bought the three billy goats gruff.
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AdminModulous Administrator (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 897 Joined: |
This clearly is not on topic, even remotely. It merits a short suspension
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4287 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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Vatican, what Bill's adventures got to do with rationality of his analysis and explanations? Irrelevant. You are just interested not in science but a good reputation and consensus only.
You asked for a good alternative to particles and waves and the cat directed you to the best one to date he is aware of. By the way waves are not totally discarded in the hypothesis. Maxwell's wave is given the physical medium in it. With real architecture of a double-helix thread. Space-time is not such a medium. It is a map of motion. Bill discards the idea of space-time altogether, the cat dumps only its re-ification into a medium of motion. Map-making as such is not going to be abandoned. Humans are measuring animals and they will not stop to try and measure the cosmos. Poor distorted maps currently used need to be thoroughly corrected. Warping, dilating and expanding are but metaphors and everybody but the gullible public knows that. It's all descriptions of trajectories and measurements. Space and time as such have no physical properties whatsoever.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1575 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Space and time as such have no physical properties whatsoever. How do you explain the phenomenon referred to as gravitational lensing without resorting to relativistic curvature of space?Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Omnivorous Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 4001 From: Adirondackia Joined: |
subbie writes: AM writes: Space and time as such have no physical properties whatsoever. How do you explain the phenomenon referred to as gravitational lensing without resorting to relativistic curvature of space? With his hands."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4287 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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That is curvature of a light signal's path, Sub. Invoking curved space explains nothing. It's a tautology, not an explanation. Space is a geometrical abstraction. A relation. If you don't believe me, take a meter of distance, go with the meter to the bathroom and try to curve it. Send the curved meter to the feline for inspection by the morning post. Call the press with cameras to record the occurrence first. Don't forget to fix the curve before packing lest it straightens back in the post. Don't use the Royal Mail. TNT or UPS would do the job better.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1575 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
What causes the light's path to curve, if not curvature in space?
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4287 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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Try this, Sub, and see how your faith is doing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7e39D-tVag
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What causes the light's path to curve, if not curvature in space? It is space-time that is curved by matter, energy, momentum, and pressure/stress. Edited by NoNukes, : omitted part of tensrUnder a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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subbie Member (Idle past 1575 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Sorry, we don't debate by link here. Make the argument yourself or don't bother.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I looked at a bit of the video. Bill claims that the particle theory of light did not explain any physical phenomena. How about black body radiation and the photoelectric effect (the explanation of the latter winning Einstein the Nobel Prize)
Next he makes a grammar based attack on Einstein's theory. In other words, don't bother unless you want some insight into the types of arguments appeal to poster Maddenstein. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 4287 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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No, Sub. The faith based claim is yours, not mine. You should try it on Jefferson in your signature. Suggest to Jefferson that space or space-time, as Nukie's correction goes, is a causal agent of interaction with physical objects and see Tom's reaction.
It is you who needs arguments to support such an unintelligible proposition in any literal sense. Remember metaphors cannot be causes.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1575 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I asked one simple question. How do you explain the phenomenon of gravitational lensing? Refrain from your usual diarrhea of the mouth, if you can, and answer that one question.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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