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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 136 of 281 (676086)
10-19-2012 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Panda
10-19-2012 6:03 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Of course you don't as you like to be associated with the Inadequate.
You both have nothing to say, both know I won't pat you on the backs for that so have to do that job themselves. Simple.
Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 137 of 281 (676087)
10-19-2012 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-19-2012 12:29 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Come on, give it a try at least. What is the age of time is an idiotic question.
Why?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Panda
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Message 138 of 281 (676093)
10-19-2012 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-19-2012 6:59 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
AM writes:
Of course you don't as you like to be associated with the Inadequate.
No, I said that I don't want join your club.
If 100% of the people on this forum told you that your posts are gibberish: you would not believe them, would you.
Why it is that you are unable to face reality, I neither understand nor care about.
But you really are a complete laughing-stock.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Percy
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Message 139 of 281 (676095)
10-19-2012 9:37 AM


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I again suggest that we only reply to Al when he happens to touch rationally upon the topic.
--Percy

  
Taq
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Message 140 of 281 (676115)
10-19-2012 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-18-2012 9:45 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
Inadequate, let's face it. Ascribing an age to the existence as a whole is a silly fallacy. Minkowski and Einstein did not dream of committing such a stupid mistake. You, on the other hand, defend in a public forum the category error the bigbangism is founded upon. So who looks stupid, you or I? Why do you do that? You are a university prof or something and since all other profs around you do the same, you just can't do otherwise. Simple. Take the mirror and face it.
None of this touches on the topic at hand. Perhaps you could get back to the topic?

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 141 of 281 (676147)
10-19-2012 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Dr Adequate
10-18-2012 6:02 PM


Re: Your case is lost...
I do not pretend to know anything apart from that for a death avoiding machine the need of a lively memory of itself is a must. Mind you, it is you who needs to flesh out ghosts, not me.
I do not hold that life must have an origin. You do. Otherwise, that is what Eigen's paradox is all about. That puts paid to the RNA world ghost idea, doesn't it?

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ICANT
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Message 142 of 281 (676156)
10-20-2012 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Taq
10-18-2012 11:11 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Hi Taq,
taq writes:
Also, the presence of oxygen and the lack of fossils also demonstrates that life can exist without a direct fossil record.
If there are no fossils how do you prove there was life?
Wouldn't all you would have would be an assumption?
God Bless

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 143 of 281 (676158)
10-20-2012 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Larni
10-19-2012 8:09 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Hi Larni,
Larni writes:
Why?
Because time is a concept of man that he invented to measure duration.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 144 of 281 (676161)
10-20-2012 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Taq
10-18-2012 11:18 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Hi Taq,
Taq writes:
I don't really see how abiogenesis research is limited to Earth. If panspermia is true then life originated somewhere through processes that would have been the same as those on Earth, or the same as on meteors/comets in our own solar system. The field of abiogenesis is really only trying to find possible routes of how life could originate, not how life could originate on Earth and Earth only.
Why couldn't life have began on earth as Darwin said on page 490 of the 1859 The Origin of the Species?
quote:
Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death,
the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving,
namely, the production of the higher animals,
directly follow. There is grandeur in this view of life,
with its several powers, having been originally breathed
into a few forme or into one ; and that, whilst this planet
has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity,
from no simple a beginning endless forms most
beautiful and moat wonderful have been, and are being,
evolved.
Darwin seemed to think life produced the first life forms on earth.
Science has proven by experiment that life produces life. It also has proven that non-life can not produce life.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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NoNukes
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Message 145 of 281 (676162)
10-20-2012 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by ICANT
10-20-2012 1:36 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
It also has proven that non-life can not produce life.
How did science prove that? Surely you aren't referring to those experiments that show that bacteria and maggots don't spontaneously generate in soup broth, old meat, and jars of peanut butter?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 146 of 281 (676168)
10-20-2012 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by ICANT
10-20-2012 1:16 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Can you support that?
For example, does radioactive decay only occur after people appeared?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Panda
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Message 147 of 281 (676176)
10-20-2012 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by ICANT
10-20-2012 12:51 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
ICANT writes:
If there are no fossils how do you prove there was life?
Since there is no fossil record of god nor jesus, that is probably not an argument you want to make.
Much like oranges not being the only fruit; fossils are not the only evidence.

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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ICANT
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Message 148 of 281 (676189)
10-20-2012 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by NoNukes
10-20-2012 1:45 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
How did science prove that? Surely you aren't referring to those experiments that show that bacteria and maggots don't spontaneously generate in soup broth, old meat, and jars of peanut butter?
I was referring to all the experiments where they have tried to create life.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 149 of 281 (676190)
10-20-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Larni
10-20-2012 5:57 AM


Re: Your case is lost...
Hi Larni,
Larni writes:
Can you support that?
For example, does radioactive decay only occur after people appeared?
Does radioactive decay need time to know it decays? The answer is no.
For mankind to measure the duration in existence that radioactive decay takes place they need time.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 150 of 281 (676192)
10-20-2012 11:12 AM


Revised Suggestion
Revising my previous suggestion, I now suggest that we only reply to Al or ICANT (or anyone, for that matter) when they happen to touch rationally upon the topic. Something about the simplest protein, I think.
--Percy

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