Innocence Riots

Nonsense.Murder is NEVER justified.

Try actually reading what is written.Murder by definition is never justified.Sorry but that's the definition.

Nonsense.I am saying that "war" is something that can only be done by a Nation State.I'm saying that "murder" by definition is an unjustified killing.No individual ever has the right to kill another except when that person presents a direct and immediate personal threat.Sorry but them's simply the facts.

You are, of course, welcome to your beliefs.But an organization must be one that is recognized, has a form and a government.Sorry but them's the facts.

To have a war there must be some way to end the war and unless there is a recognized government there is simply no way to end a war.Sorry but them's the facts.

I provided the facts.And I don't play children's games.

But I don't think anyone is saying anything about justification.I think you may be conflating killing and murder, what may be legal and what is always illegal.

I see no justification in that at all.Sorry but no where in those quotes did I justify anything.No where have I discussed justification.

No, I did not say war is justified.

But they are not at war.

A non state organization cannot conduct a war.Murder is always unjustified.

No, by act.Sorry but there is reality.An individual might be able to justify killing someone else but only when the person is a direct and immediate threat.The terrorists acts do not meet that test.

NO, stop misrepresenting my position.Read what I wrote and try again.

Drone attacks are carried out by a military acting under governmental orders, and so they are an act of war.AbE:Let me try to help you.A drone attack carried out by a non-governmental agency though would be terrorism.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Learn to read.I'm amazed how so many people seem unable to actually read.I said:

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Nonsense.

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I am saying that "war" is something that can only be done by a Nation State.

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I'm saying that "murder" by definition is an unjustified killing.

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No individual ever has the right to kill another except when that person presents a direct and immediate personal threat.

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Sorry but them's simply the facts.

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Read what I wrote.Let me try again.No individual ever has the right to kill another except when that person presents a direct and immediate personal threat.Killing and murder are not synonymous.You ask "Did the slaves in Ancient Rome have the right to kill their masters? Free other slaves and killing slave owners that weren't their masters?"The answer is perhaps yes, perhaps no. It would depend on the actual specifics of each incident.You ask "Did the Resistance in uccopied Europe has the right to kill German soldiers?"The answer is they had the right only if the Allies actually won the war.You ask "What about the Spanish civil war, where the regular army rose against the elected goverment,and the civilians defended that goverment?"The answer is that it depends on who won the Civil war.It is NEVER black and white.