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Author | Topic: Peanut Gallery: Ice Age is a Product of the Flood | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I would expect the thread to discuss the link between an ice age and a flood of whatever type the OP defends. Life's full of surprises, isn't it? But in retrospect, the signs were there. Peeta asked if anyone had the balls to go one to one with him. Now, someone who thinks that debating causes of ice ages is some sort of test of manly courage obviously has some kind of issues.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 609 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I didn't make anything up. The story is real as caffeine pointed out to you. At first glance, without looking deeper into it, you would say there was no evidence for a city being moved from one place to another. When you start asking the right questions however, the evidence starts to show up. That's how it is on this forum when the creationist is accused ad nauseum that he has no evidence for his claims. Just as in the pi ramses story, it doesn't appear just yet that there is evidence for a particular claim, but if you started looking in the right places and asking the right questions, the evidence could start showing up. That will never happen though with the anti creationist hostility and mindset of people like you and many others. You just shout "NO EVIDENCE you simple minded bible thumper!!!!!" and expect us to crawl away and never think about such "absurdities" again since only erudite and sophisticated elites such as yourself have the right to determine what is and what isn't legimate subjects to investigate.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Hi foreveryoung,
I want to have a look at this sentence in your post:
When you start asking the right questions however, the evidence starts to show up. First off, I get quite suspicious when there is no evidence, until certain questions are asked. It makes me think that the questions are framed, so that evidence can be pointed to, which fits an agenda, or pre-existing conclusion. The more usual scenario is that we see the evidence, and then start asking questions about it. In the case of the moving city, what questions are you referring to that started being asked ? Secondly, you say that the evidence shows up. Can you give me an outline of that evidence - or some links please ? (I know you have given us a hard time in the past, about insisting all the time upon evidence, but that's not relevant here, since you have actually referred, in your own post, to evidence showing up - I just want the details).
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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As a few people have stated, Pi-Ramesses does not support your argument. It rather is counter to your argument.
I am still waiting for more info on this show you saw. I tried to research info on it, but your extremely sparse info on it and seeming lack of understanding of what you watched was not enough for me to be able to track it down.
You just shout "NO EVIDENCE you simple minded bible thumper!!!!!" and expect us to crawl away and never think about such "absurdities" again
Yup still waiting for that evidence.
since only erudite and sophisticated elites such as yourself have the right to determine what is and what isn't legimate subjects to investigate. Nobody has said a thing about legitimate subjects. We are talking about legitimate evidence.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Hi ForEverYoung,
You've come a long way from your original premise, which was this:
As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger. Now all you seem to be saying is that you won't find evidence until you look for it, which I think few would dispute. I'm sure we would all agree that the best investigators are skilled at following scant hints of evidence, which is the case with your History Channel documentary about the lost Egyptian city, but that evidence is still physical evidence. There is no other kind. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: But that isn't what you said, was it? You said that there was NO evidence. When I objected that the evidence was there but that it just wasn't obvious you hardly rushed to agree.
quote: You mean that we have to wait for someone else to guess what you are talking about because you don't know and can't be bothered to find out? And when we do we find that your central claim - that there was no evidence - turns out to be untrue? This seems to be a greater indictment of your behaviour than that of your opponents.
quote: Rant aside, that's hardly an excuse for demanding that your opponents do your work for you, nor does it change the fact that your initial vague assertion was false.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3484 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined:
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quote: Isn't part of the scientific method asking a question? Make an observation and then ask a question. Remains of the past aren't always laying in plain sight. So how do archaeologist decide where to dig?
Archaeology Education More commonly, archaeological sites are buried beneath the surface and may be partially or totally invisible to the eye. How then do archaeologists even locate sites given such a situation? In the olden days of classical archaeology, explorers used ancient literary references to place names as guides in locating lost cities. For example, Heinrich Schliemann relied on literary references from Homer, his own hunches, and a little luck to find the ancient cities of Troy and Mycenae. quote: FEY has already said in Message 9 that he can't remember the name of the city and is recalling a History Channel show. In Message 22, he tells how he remembers they reached their conclusions. A document supposedly led them to look for physical evidence of the city. FEY is a layperson and may not present his views as precise as his opposition wishes. When one says that "evidence shows up", they aren't saying it wasn't there and now it is, it just means we now see it or understand it. IMO, he is simply saying that physical evidence isn't always in plain sight. Sometimes we have to go looking for it. A story or document may be the catalyst to start looking, to start asking questions. (FEY can correct me if I'm wrong.) I don't see that pursuing the specifics of the TV show have anything to do with the GD topic. I suggest we stick to the issues of the GD.
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Percy Member Posts: 22495 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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purpledawn writes: Isn't part of the scientific method asking a question? Make an observation and then ask a question. I think everyone is interpreting FEY's responses in the context in which he began, which was this from his first message:
ForEverYoung writes: As you can see, limiting yourself to physical evidence narrows down what you will accept as reality when reality happens to be much bigger. He does seem to be distancing himself from that position now by staking out a more reasonable position that stresses the process of finding and uncovering evidence, but given that FEY has been here a while and has clearly stated his belief a number of times in a number of threads that science is only looking at part of reality, it's hard to accept that he really means what he's saying now. Sort of like understanding what the Republicans really mean when they talk about women's reproductive rights ("We affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy."), I think we all understand what FEY really means when he talks about science ignoring evidence. Of course the irony with the History Channel documentary is that it's an excellent example of archaeology following the scientific method.
I don't see that pursuing the specifics of the TV show have anything to do with the GD topic. I suggest we stick to the issues of the GD. I said I hoped Peeta would argue from evidence, then in the GD thread Peeta began asking Coyote for evidence of ice ages, and that's why FEY started talking about evidence. Peeta seems to have abandoned his thread, leaving this thread flapping in the breeze. Creationism strikes again! --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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foreveryoung writes:
But it's the creationists who should be asking those questions and finding that evidence. If you want to overturn accepted theories, you have to find evidence that distinguishes your hypothesis from the others. Creationists should be learning science and doing science instead of putting all of their efforts into propaganda.
When you start asking the right questions however, the evidence starts to show up.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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But it's the creationists who should be asking those questions and finding that evidence. If you want to overturn accepted theories, you have to find evidence that distinguishes your hypothesis from the others. Creationists should be learning science and doing science instead of putting all of their efforts into propaganda.
You are correct. I think the problem Peeta ran into here is that he has been taught dogma, not science. At the first sign that his dogma was incorrect he fled the scene, most likely never to return. I was looking forward to a debate, but I guess that's not going to happen, eh?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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