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hooah212002
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Message 646 of 1049 (671260)
08-23-2012 5:59 PM


Many thanks
Many thanks to those who fruitlessly championed my return and defended me in my uncalled for suspension.
Percy, perhaps now you can explain why you not only failed or refused to respond to any of the other members in regards to my suspension, but also ignored the 4 emails I sent you regarding the same. If memory serves, nearly every creationists' return is pre-empted with you or another moderator saying "I've been in contact/discussion with so and so".
I thought more highly of this board....

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 647 of 1049 (671261)
08-23-2012 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by hooah212002
08-23-2012 5:59 PM


Re: Many thanks
Hi Hooah, welcome back!
I have no PM's from you, and if it was email then I don't recall any (I'm on vacation, the email archive is at home), or maybe they got caught up in the spam filter.
I lobbied on your belief in the moderator forum, but you have apparently seriously pissed off both Adminnemooseus and AdminPD. They wouldn't back off one iota, in fact argued you deserved worse. There's a thread enumerating your crimes. I was unable to make any headway.
I understand you're a determined "I just gotta be me" kinda guy, but that has consequences, so surely what happened to you wasn't a "one off" thing for you.

--Percy
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Message 648 of 1049 (671262)
08-23-2012 6:53 PM
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08-23-2012 6:35 PM


Re: Many thanks
There's a thread enumerating your crimes.
Crimes? CRIMES? Really? Are you lot that thin skinned? I changed a topic around. A DEAD topic. You all didn't even give mea chance to say shit on my behalf. It was a damn joke (and quite funny at that. Who doesn't love Trailer Park Boys??). Then, when pressed, you ignored the chorus.
I repeat: I changed a DEAD TOPIC. And that is a crime???
To be honest, I don't actually believe that you a) didn't receive my emails or B) lobbied "on my behalf". I also find it hard to believe that what I did was so egregious that the both of them, in light of a number of upstanding members OPENLY lobbied on my behalf, were so bent out of shape that they wanted MORE than 4 weeks.
I understand you're a determined "I just gotta be me" kinda guy, but that has consequences, so surely what happened to you wasn't a "one off" thing for you.
Yea, sure, but given my record, that was HARDLY my "just gotta be me" attitude. The lot of you know it would ahve contained more direct curse words. It would have been more well deserved.
If you think that deserved 4 weeks, give me 8 more weeks right now.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 649 of 1049 (671264)
08-23-2012 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by hooah212002
08-23-2012 6:53 PM


Re: Many thanks
There's a thread enumerating your crimes.
Guess it is like an FBI file. I probably have a thread too.
I wonder if Percy has a FOIA procedure.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 650 of 1049 (671265)
08-23-2012 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by hooah212002
08-23-2012 6:53 PM


Re: Many thanks
Everybody is innocent in here. TM

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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hooah212002
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Message 651 of 1049 (671266)
08-23-2012 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by Theodoric
08-23-2012 8:21 PM


Re: Many thanks
I don't even know what forum rule I violated. Usually a 4+ week suspension would be incurred due to a direct and/or repeated rule violation. Prior to said suspension, I feel as though I was on pretty mild behavior. Very unbecoming of EvC to hold grudges on it's members.
Not that I expect anything close to resembling professionalism from moose, though.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 652 of 1049 (671268)
08-23-2012 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by hooah212002
08-23-2012 6:53 PM


Re: Many thanks
"Crimes" was supposed to be humor through exaggeration.

--Percy
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Message 653 of 1049 (671278)
08-24-2012 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 648 by hooah212002
08-23-2012 6:53 PM


Re: Many thanks
To be fair, it was a moderator request that you change the thread name and the name you changed it to was pretty silly. A suspension was justified. Four weeks was not.

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Message 654 of 1049 (671285)
08-24-2012 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 653 by PaulK
08-24-2012 1:20 AM


Re: Many thanks
Care to tell me what forum rule I broke? Why does it matter what I changed it to? The topic was 2 YEARS OLD and DEAD. If jokes deserves suspensions, you might as well delete onfires account.
Again: what forum rule did I break?
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 655 of 1049 (671286)
08-24-2012 6:38 AM
Reply to: Message 654 by hooah212002
08-24-2012 6:28 AM


Re: Many thanks
In my view you intentionally flouted the spirit of Rule 1. You were given a reasonable request from a moderator and you chose to respond in a way that you surely knew was not what the moderator intended - and was, under the circumstances, arguably worse than refusing to comply. That's good enough for a short suspension in my book.

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Message 656 of 1049 (671413)
08-24-2012 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 655 by PaulK
08-24-2012 6:38 AM


Re: Many thanks
In my view you intentionally flouted the spirit of Rule 1.
How? PD requested a "more civil topic title". I changed the (DEAD) topic into a joke. I followed the moderator request, did I not? I was the OP, NO ONE was interested in discussing the original topic (a retarded video about Mike Huckabee) and the guy who Moose resurrected the topic for made like 1 post and didn't even come to discuss the topic.
Moose and PD don't like me (not that I care for either of them anyways) and they used a poor example to get rid of me for some time. Moderation at EvC at it's finest.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 657 of 1049 (671442)
08-25-2012 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 656 by hooah212002
08-24-2012 9:32 PM


Re: Many thanks
By choosing a stupid joke title that had nothing to do with the topic. You know damn well that wasn't what was wanted. You were given a simple request. You chose to play silly games with the moderators instead of following it sensibly. And you know it. Don't try to play innocent.

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Message 658 of 1049 (671443)
08-25-2012 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 656 by hooah212002
08-24-2012 9:32 PM


Re: Many thanks
Unfortunately the owner of this board has not come up with a uniform criteria for suspension length. Moderators are on their own. Maybe you can come up with a uniform criteria for suspension length and present it to Admin. Speed the process up a bit.
Just for the record, I didn't suspend you or recommend that you be suspended and I did not argue that you deserved worse. I argued that since Adminnemooseus suspended you, he should be the one to shorten the sentence if he chose to. He's the one you should have PM'd or emailed to ask for leniency.
Old threads resurface now and again. They aren't necessarily dead. Old threads are still a record of what has been discussed. You changed an opening post to something unrelated to the original. That means the responses to that post now make no sense.
It isn't wise to joke with moderation requests. We can't really take the stance that as long as you're joking, it's OK to break the rules.

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Message 659 of 1049 (671445)
08-25-2012 8:07 AM


Why is the moderator request maintained as being a very serious matter? The topic was 2 years old, and consisted of a video and a few low-quality posts.
If it was any other moderator request, yes, the point stands, but in this context AdminPD's warning was, to be very blunt, humorously unaware of the context and age of a low-quality single page topic, while generally being strict. While I don't really have a taste for his style of humor, it's very reasonable why Hoah got a little bit annoyed at that moment and played around with the request.
AdminPD understood that Hoah has decided to joke around a bit, and apologized, and politely requested that he would change the title again.
I guess a warning could be in place here, but in my opinion a 4 week suspension is quite a bit out of bounds in this context.
Admin, it may indeed be a good idea if there was any sort of suspension code established. From what I generally do have seen, most suspensions seem to follow after another clear severe violation after a string of earlier warnings.
In my opinion, a petty incident as this doesn't quite fit as a final violation worthy of a 4 week suspension. Standing on it's own, this would deserve about.. 24 hours at it's most extreme?
Those 4 weeks seem to refer to some earlier issues concerning Hoah which I'm going to stay neutral about. However, whatever the case may be, from what I understand about moderation, heavy punishment as this would be more fair if it followed from a clear warning of the sanction, and a undisputed ''final straw'' that is on terms with earlier missteps.

  
hooah212002
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Message 660 of 1049 (671449)
08-25-2012 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 658 by AdminPD
08-25-2012 6:01 AM


Re: Many thanks
Just for the record, I didn't suspend you or recommend that you be suspended and I did not argue that you deserved worse.
Ahh, so Percy IS a liar. Thanks for clearing that up.
He's the one you should have PM'd or emailed to ask for leniency.
Moose is irrational and Percy is the board director. Me trying to plea with him would have been like trying to get Rain Man to get his underwear at Target. In Philadelphia. Percy, being the site director/owner, seems like he superseded the rest of the mod crew. I see now that he does not and that he has no control over any of you.
You changed an opening post to something unrelated to the original. That means the responses to that post now make no sense.
What responses? NO ONE was interested in discussing the original topic. I t was stupid. I shouldn't have even started it in the first place.
It isn't wise to joke with moderation requests.
Yea, cuz you and Moose have a serious Napoleon complex and think you are holier than fucking thou. You, PD, target the atheists and let the religious types do whatever they want. You don't hidee your bias very well. And moose is just completely off the wall. Or something like that.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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