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Author Topic:   What type of biological life will more than likely be found on other planets?
Dogmafood
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Message 160 of 178 (671184)
08-22-2012 8:46 PM
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08-22-2012 7:02 PM


Re: Rare sapience
First, in the billions of species that evolved in the one sample we know of human type intelligence only developed once and no other intelligent critter developed anything like it.
All of the less intelligent creatures also have some level of intelligence. Intelligence at some level seems very common. The main difference is the amount that we have and that we have surpassed some threshold where the benefits become exponential.

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Dogmafood
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Message 162 of 178 (671187)
08-22-2012 9:02 PM
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08-22-2012 8:53 PM


Re: Rare sapience
If all of the animals that have brains also have some level of intelligence you can't call that uncommon.

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Dogmafood
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Message 164 of 178 (671191)
08-22-2012 9:27 PM
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08-22-2012 9:07 PM


Re: Rare sapience
Of course I can.
No you cant.
There may be way more plants than animals but animal life is common around these parts.

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Dogmafood
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Message 166 of 178 (671193)
08-22-2012 9:53 PM
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08-22-2012 9:39 PM


Re: Rare sapience
Which insects or animals don't have brains?
But look out the window jar. Animal life, replete with brains, is common.

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Dogmafood
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Message 172 of 178 (671216)
08-23-2012 9:49 AM
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08-23-2012 9:19 AM


Re: emergent property?
The universe is very, very big, though - so even the staggeringly unlikely may have happened many times.
Not only very big but very nearly homogeneous. Is it likely for there to be anything that is truly unique in the universe?

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Message 175 of 178 (671291)
08-24-2012 8:35 AM
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08-23-2012 11:35 AM


The quantum of intelligence
So, you see, animals without brains are really not that rare.
Yes. I regretted the question as soon as I submitted it.
Still, would you describe creatures with brains to be uncommon in the world?
Oni's definition of intelligence is an arbitrary point somewhere near the top of the scale, possessed by only one species. If all life has some common ancestor then the seeds of that intelligence should be possessed by all life.

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Dogmafood
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Message 178 of 178 (671303)
08-24-2012 9:59 AM
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08-24-2012 9:08 AM


Re: The quantum of intelligence
You mean like the seeds of flight, or the seeds of vitamin c synthesis, or the seeds of coprophagy?
I guess so, which means it doesn't say anything about the probability of it's development only the possibility.
If the elemental building block of intelligence is something like the ability to respond to your environment then it may be much more necessary to life than other elements. Where does intelligence begin?

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