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sidelined Member (Idle past 5909 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
I have just read an interesting article in the "News and Comment" section of the Nov/Dec issue of the Skeptical Inquirer [Polling for Intelligent Design | Skeptical Inquirer] concerning a poll conducted by the New Mexico branch of the Intelligent Design Network Inc.
It claims the online survey was sent to approximately 16,000 employees of Sandia and Los Alamos National Labs as well as 500 science and enginneering faculty members at 3 universities in New Mexico. The response from the head of Sandia [8,000 employees] indicates that no such survey took place at Sandia. Without going into too much more detail which you can read for yourself at the website it seems that the people conducting the survey were decieving themselves as to the veracity of their claims and must have some kind of masochistic streak if they thought that lying would improve their position or that investigations into the claims would not surface. I personally think it is mindless tripe of the worst kind regardless of my point of view on the matter of ID/Creationism since I cannot fathom what they hope to accomplish with fabrication of these matters. The apparent purpose is to influence the State Board of Education in order to have intelligent design taught in New Mexico. What I fail to see is what did they hope to gain since they must have known that these matters would be investigated. Any thoughts on the psychology behind this?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
It is hard to fathom isn't it?
However, let me have a guess or two. I'll order them in what I consider to be increasing likelyhood. 1) The have absolutely no idea of what they are doing. They don't understand polling at all and think that if "my mother says..." then all mothers must say the same thing. So a tiny sample size is not a problem to them since they don't know that "sample size" means. 2)Those conducting the poll do know a bit. But they went to effort and expense and tried to salvage what they could out of it. Sometimes we get caught up in what we are doing and don't realize we should stop. 3) They don't care about the accuracy. They don't care what any knowledgable people say. They have what they want. They will quite officialy refering to the study but it is now out there and will be referred to all over the place. It will become part of the folklore. They aren't willing to be so very dishonest as to make claims without any study at all but they are dishonest enough to alloow the spread of this even though they know full well the results are meaningless.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5909 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
NosyNed
You know,I don't believe they are unintelligent of course but they do fulfill the qualities of the word ignorant.What I have difficulty understanding is what is so twisted in their psychology that they need to lie to themselves so inconsistently?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
What is wrong with those ignorant IDers?
------------------"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." -Jesus John 3:3 This is Prophecyexclaimed, new name.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
What is wrong?
In this case, IronMan, it appears they have fallen somewhere between careless and dishonest. Figuring out where would probably require a lot of work. Where would you place this little example?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Dishonest actually.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Why would I be ignorant as a Creationist sidelined?
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Why am I lying to myself, please explain I am puzzled about your philosophy on Creationists. ------------------"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." -Jesus John 3:3 This is Prophecyexclaimed, new name.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
If what sidelined says is true that is.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
I think he is referring to the use of this poll this time IronMan.
However, it is possible that he sees it necessary to lie to oneself to be able to stay a YEC.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5909 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Iron Man
You post. "Why would I be ignorant as a Creationist sidelined?" I never said you were as I was talking about the people in the article who conducted the poll.The term ignorant has the root word ignore which is what these people do in abundance.It is one thing to have a viewpoint you would like to believe in,it is entirely different to misrepresent the truth of a research you conducted in order to try and put that viewpoint forth as valid. Actually I have the impression that you are not one who would attempt something as silly as this.I may not agree with how you look at things but I do not believe you would say one thing and do another as these people have.In the same light I do not see any problem with these people having their viewpoin texcept when they allow in distortions that gain them nothing and harm their veracity greatly. ------------------"Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns, so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization of the entire tapestry."
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Yeah sidelined after I read through what I wrote again I realized that you weren't talking about Creationists as a whole (pretty stupid of me), the 'little example' IS pretty annoying to me because dishonesty is not something Christians should be using to prove a point. If the point exists that is.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Possibly.
------------------"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." -Jesus John 3:3 This is Prophecyexclaimed, new name.
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