Did the coming of Jesus render the Law of the old testament null and void

The fact that a non-Jewish half even existed is what this thread is all about!

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But the Jewish Christian cult did abandon much of the Law.

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Peter and Paul are two great examples.

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Show us that Paul or Peter followed the OT Laws any less than other Jews or Jewish Christians of the time.

They ate with non Jews, ate unclean foods.

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They ate with non Jews, ate unclean foods.

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Scripture please!

Scripture shouldn't be needed if you've read the Bible but consider Acts 10. Peter goes into the house of Cornelius.Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles often went in and associated with non-Jews.

Associating with Non-Jews is not part of the OT Laws. Message 13

But keeping Kosher is, and that means not eating off plates a non-Jew used, not using utensils that an non-Jew used.The key is not specific OT laws (unless you want to be pedantic) but is explicit in many Old Testament stories. The point of Ruth is that she was NOT Jewish; the point of the Good Samaritan was that he was NOT Jewish. And the idea that Jews and thus Jewish behavior and customs were different and specific goes somewhat further back than 10AD; rather it goes to the time of the exile to Babylon and the need to create a Jewish identity and even earlier to the creation of "Israel".Peter, Paul and others were trying to market a new franchise, and to do that they had to adopt the customs of their prospective converts. Even the idea of marketing a new NON-Jewish Jewish sect was new and the idea of letting in men in particular without the requirement of an initiation rite was a total change in orientation.

Support please!Plates could be washed other than clay. Leviticus 11

Some plates could be washed. But unless done by someone who understands the requirements it is not Kosher. And of course, any clay pot where an unclean critter has touched and anything that touches or is in such an unclean pot is unclean. That also applies to how food was prepared and stored, cooked, handled, what ingredients are included.Leviticus 11:

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29 ‘Of the animals that move along the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. 32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. 34 Any food you are allowed to eat that has come into contact with water from any such pot is unclean, and any liquid that is drunk from such a pot is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean.

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The support is common sense. The Laws were detailed, often arbitrary, sometimes contradictory and whether the source was Biblical, or Rabbinical or simply custom, complex and obscure.When you entered a non-Jewish hose there was simply no way to know the history of the food offered.

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Some plates could be washed. But unless done by someone who understands the requirements it is not Kosher. And of course, any clay pot where an unclean critter has touched and anything that touches or is in such an unclean pot is unclean. That also applies to how food was prepared and stored, cooked, handled, what ingredients are included.

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It may have been difficult to eat with Gentiles or to visit one, but it wasn't forbidden and since Shammai felt it necessary to make several decrees to keep Jews and Gentiles separated, the people must have overcome the difficulty. Message 36

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The support is common sense. The Laws were detailed, often arbitrary, sometimes contradictory and whether the source was Biblical, or Rabbinical or simply custom, complex and obscure.

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When you entered a non-Jewish hose there was simply no way to know the history of the food offered.

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The support for your argument is not common sense because the Laws were detailed, often arbitrary, sometimes contradictory, complex and obscure. There were several sects with their interpretations of the OT Laws and at least two schools of thought.You stated in Message 30, that But you haven't shown us that Paul or Peter followed the OT Laws any less than other Jews or Jewish Christians of their time.There were Hellenistic Jews before Jesus came. These Jews had largely abandoned much of the Torah in order to be "more accepted" in the Greek/Roman culture where they lived. Paul claimed to be a Pharisee. Acts 23:6My position is that at the time of Jesus, Paul, and Peter; the OT Laws had no legal or binding force on Gentiles, Christian or otherwise. They had nothing to abandon. I don't see that Jewish Christians abandoned any OT Laws because of Jesus or Paul.I don't see that Paul or Peter followed the OT Laws any less than the various Diaspora Jews of their time.

Well, the audience will decide whether or not either of us have supported our position.A few additional points though.The Laws were not all legally binding, in fact most were simply a matter of custom.Yes, there were several Jewish sects and yes they did have varying opinions; simply reading the Talmud should be enough to confirm that.However both Peter and Paul were of sects that definitely considered keeping Kosher as required and yet they both changed their position. They dropped keeping Kosher as a requirement.You may not see it but it really is that simple.

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However both Peter and Paul were of sects that definitely considered keeping Kosher as required and yet they both changed their position. They dropped keeping Kosher as a requirement.

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You may not see it but it really is that simple.

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Requirement for what?You haven't shown that Paul and Peter didn't follow the Jewish dietary laws. Excerpt from: How People Lived In The Bible 2002

Did Peter and Paul eat with Gentiles in Gentile owned houses?Could they know whether or not the bread was baked in an oven our used water from a pot that was unclean?As I pointed out above there were Laws that were part of the legal system and Laws that part of custom.The audience can decide what I have shown or not shown.

Here's my quick take on the issue: the jews made everything way too complicated with all their little rules about everything. Jesus came and explained that its not really that difficult; just love god and each other.I wouldn't say that made the OT "null and void" tho. Its more like it made it unnecessary.

IMO, it became more complicated when the leading Jews figured perfect adherence to the laws would get them their nation and temple back. They developed the fence, which was extreme in some cases.Before that I don't feel they were any more complicated than any other nation's laws.