Genesis 1:1-5 — Day One

Well; I've made no mention of time spans, and there is certainly no matter of time span mentioned between Genesis 1:1—4; that is, there is no indication as to how long the formless Earth and its energies sat before the creation of Light.Once Light exists as a separate entity from non-Light (Darkness), then we can at least vaguely get a measure of time passing between the formation of various things, but prior to that I cannot see how we can make any claims regarding the elapsed time between creation of matter and energy and the formation of Light.CJ

Let's start with photons.What is needed to produce a photon?

Do you know what a photon is? Because the idea that photons are a pre-cursor for light is inane.No, light is not required for the existence of light.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Wikipedia on Photons:

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Photons are emitted in many natural processes. For example, when a charge is accelerated it emits synchrotron radiation. During a molecular, atomic or nuclear transition to a lower energy level, photons of various energy will be emitted, from infrared light to gamma rays. A photon can also be emitted when a particle and its corresponding antiparticle are annihilated (for example, electron-positron annihilation).

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To produce a photon we need matter doing stuff, which means we first need the matter.

But according to the story, the 'stuff' needed to produce light already existed and by it's very existence there would have been light even before God said "Let there be light" unless you can explain how the pieces parts that already existed were somehow prevented from producing photons.Since we know that hydrogen and oxygen existed and that they combined to produce water and that the water was above absolute zero (likely above freezing) then there were already photons being produced.

Hi CJ, Who says there was no light when the Earth was created?
The Earth was created a long time before Genesis 1:2. In what part of Genesis do you find that information?Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning created God, the heavens, and the earth".My question to you CJ is:Does the Earth exist in the Universe (heavens)?If the Earth exists in the Universe then the Universe had to exist first, for the Earth to exist in it. No Thing can exist in non existence which an absence of anything is. What is your definition of nothing?My definition is non existence.If there was non existence then what was the Earth formed from and what caused the material to exist that the Earth was formed from?Non existence would mean that not even God existed. Are saying that before Genesis 1:2 which was only around 6,000 years ago there was no light?Upon what information do you make that assertion?There was no light created in Genesis 1:3. Light was made visible on Earth.There was no lights created in Genesis 1:14.The Hebrew word ברא transliterated bara'
and translated created refers to 3 events in the Bible. Genesis 1:1, 1:21, 1:27. All other references refer to one of these events.There was no sun or moon created in Genesis 1:16. They were made visible from Earth.There has been times when the Earth had a problem receiving light.
Here is an example from Science Daily. http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2007/01/070118094039.htm"Blocked out light for weeks, possibly years".This situation would be similiar to the conditions found on Earth in Genesis 1:2. The difference would be the water did not act like a tsunami, but just covered all the land mass.This would make it necessary for God to make the light visible again on earth.Looking forward to your evidence or reasoning that light did not exist prior to Genesis 1:2.God Bless,

I think you're misreading this. By 'first' I simply mean before Light; between Light and Earth, Earth was the first to be made. That's not really on topic for here. The main point in this thread is that Earth was created first and then Light. It was not the Sun being created followed by the formation of the other matter as evolutionists would have you believe. You're reading far too much into what I'm saying. Nothing simply means no matter or energy (in the physical sense). 6,000 years ago? By what measuring standard? What more reasoning could you require other than the simple fact that it is specifically stated as to when Light was created. There is, of course, nothing in the text to suggest that this was merely a 'making visible on Earth' event. It was a from-scratch creationprior to which everything was in darkness. There is no other way to read the text. There is no other way to interpret the scientific evidence.CJ

So, the luminous-blue daytime sky (the "primordial light", if you will, having been separated from the darkness of the night-time sky) existed as such for a minimum of three and a half days before the creation of the sun(!). Well, this is quite typical of ancient cosmogonies, being ignorant of how the Earth's atmosphere scatters sunlight.The speed of ordinary light (in vacuum) is 299,792,458 meters per second. How fast does primordial light go?

You've said this a few times now. I'd just like to point out that 'evolutionists' (whoever they are) did not tell us the order that the universe was made in or how. That's the job of mathematicians and physicists. As a creationist, your fight is against the entirity of science, not just the biologists that study evolution. Most people think that the sun is responsible for most of the light we get here on earth, so are you saying that before god made the sun, he lit the earth by some other mechanism?

I'm saying there was Light before the Sun existed, yes. But I think even evolutionists would agree with such a statement.CJ

If there was no sun, moon or stars, where was the light coming from that illuminated the earth?(This has nothing to do with evolution or evolutionists - you dounderstand that don't you?)

Yes there was light energy before the sun existed. But if the genesis story was true, there would have been no light , in the visible portion of the spectrum, until after the sun had been created.
The earth would have been totally dark.

Well that's obviously nonsense. If the Genesis story is true, then there certainly would have been light before the Sun had been created since that is specifically what the Genesis story claims as true.CJ

Bloody hell....light energy but no light or no sun but light.Are you sure you want to argue either of these positions?Edited by Tangle, : Typo

There was light energy, but the light needed on earth is the electromagnetic spectrum from the sun, the visible is not of matter, but the infrared & ultraviolet are. Without these, no life. All you would have is a cold, solid rock.