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Message 16 of 22 (659518)
04-16-2012 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by frako
04-16-2012 12:26 PM


frako writes:
Nope the fish would die in a flood too try throwing a fresh water fish in to the ocean or a salt-water fish in to a river.
Although I agree with the principle, I thought I would point out that some fish can survive brackish waters.
But very few (any?) sea-creatures could survive the combined changes in pressure, temperature, salinity, light, etc. that a global flood would cause.
(Coral would be a good example. It is very sensitive to its environment but lacks the mobility needed to escape adverse conditions.)

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Message 17 of 22 (659521)
04-16-2012 12:45 PM
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Although I agree with the principle, I thought I would point out that some fish can survive brackish waters.
I know that some can but it would still be a nice experiment wouldn't it i wonder how he would convince himself that the flood happened when the 2 fish would die. Unless he was very lucky and threw specimens that could survive the change in salinity

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Message 18 of 22 (659558)
04-16-2012 5:21 PM
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04-16-2012 12:45 PM


frako writes:
i wonder how he would convince himself that the flood happened when the 2 fish would die.
I actually know the answer to this.
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?showtop...

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Message 19 of 22 (659559)
04-16-2012 5:25 PM
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04-16-2012 8:39 AM


Science tells us that floods have happened, and water washes away evidence.
Floods produce evidence. Look here for the evidence of a recent catastrophic flood that left tons of evidence in the NW of the US:
http://www4.uwsp.edu/...icipants/dutch/vtrips/scablands0.htm
Specifically, we can see varves created by normal annual deposition in the middel of the photo below. Above and below the varves we can see coarse grained sediments from flood deposits.

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Message 20 of 22 (659563)
04-16-2012 5:49 PM
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04-16-2012 5:21 PM


Well at least the experiment could have had actual fish not some simple organisms like starfish.
Salt-water fish constantly drink and excrete salt, having no or little salt in the water they are in, they run out of salt in their body and die.
There are exceptions like salmon that have adapted to live in both kind of environment but their biology changes radically when they are exposed to a different environment.
I found the real answer lol
A: Well, most fish didn't survive. In fact, if you'd been a diver in the oceans before the flood, and then you'd been saved on the Ark and had started diving again after the flood, you would've said something like, "What happened? Where's everything gone?" You see, most marine species were killed during the flood. Now certainly some fish did survive, and we see their descendants in the oceans today. Some people then ask a related question; "How did freshwater fish survive in the saltwater oceans?" There are two possibilities. First, there are many areas in the world today where we see freshwater and salt water together, and the two waters don't mix. So it's possible that certain organisms survived in pockets of fresh or salt water. Second, because of natural selection, which creationists accept, organisms today have become very specialized. Organisms at the time of the flood, however, would've been much stronger and able to tolerate many more changes than they can today. There's really no problem at all in answering this question.
How Did Fish Survive Noah’s Flood? | Answers in Genesis
What have we learned today kids well first of that creationists accept natural selection for nature to have something to select there must also be some kind of mutation right. So the answer is Supper speedy evolution over the course of 40 days when it rained.
Or of course everyone knows that salt-water and fresh water cant possibly mix in floods.
as you can see the turbulent waters of a flood are to turbulent for it to mix with salt water.
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Message 21 of 22 (661256)
05-03-2012 3:14 PM
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04-16-2012 5:49 PM


The fish probably died pretty rapidly
I suspect that in the experiment that they used fish the fish died pretty rapidly so they aren't showing it. That place has flipped it's lid though, almost every atheist that frequented the place (except me because I no longer debate there) has been banned for some BS excuse or another.

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Message 22 of 22 (661283)
05-04-2012 6:04 AM
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05-03-2012 3:14 PM


Re: The fish probably died pretty rapidly
menes777 writes:
I suspect that in the experiment that they used fish the fish died pretty rapidly so they aren't showing it.
Well, many species of sea-life can survive brackish waters. This is already known.
Their test will, at best, prove what biologists have already shown.
But it won't add any new evidence to support a global flood.
To test a single aspect (i.e. salt levels) while ignoring all the other environmental changes is pointless (...when researching a global flood).
Animals trying to survive a global flood would have many environmental changes to cope with.
If I was to submerge myself in water and survive, does that mean I can survive at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean? No.
If I can survive in free-fall, does that mean I can survive in space? No.
menes777 writes:
That place has flipped it's lid though, almost every atheist that frequented the place (except me because I no longer debate there) has been banned for some BS excuse or another.
I like the fact that you can get banned for equivocation.
Equivocation is sooo offensive!!
I have taken to giving answers on their web-page, but not debating much.
This appears to have made it more difficult for them to justify banning me.
And that way, other people can see that there are answers to the creo's questions - even if the creo's themselves won't accept them.

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