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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 126 (660724)
04-28-2012 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Tanypteryx
04-28-2012 6:57 PM


Re: Governor's Inaction
Tanypteryx writes:
You are a funny guy, Buz. We all know you would be madder than hell if the strengths and weaknesses of creationism were taught. There are no strengths to be found in creationism.....NOT ONE!
Not at all. I do as much or more critiquing of mainline creationists relative to origins as evolutionists do. That's why my unique Biblical record take on origins, etc do more to kick butt on evolution and the BB, etc than that of creationists educated in the colleges and seminaries etc are more effective in the science fora etc than theirs. There's is more refutable than mine, yet they are the only ones allowed to debate the science threads and some Bible related threads in the science forum.
Most educated creationists have been spoon fed for a few years in colleges and universities whereas I've been studiously in it for 60 plus years since my conversion as a youngster. That's why I'm not much more popular in Christian circles than I am here, because I call them out on stuff they've been brainwashed into.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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crashfrog
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Message 122 of 126 (660725)
04-28-2012 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
04-28-2012 8:48 PM


Re: Governor's Inaction
Gotta give it to Buz on this one - whatever you think about his position, he's not just toeing the party line.
Well, as far as creationism goes, anyway. He's really staked out his own position.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 123 of 126 (660726)
04-28-2012 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by crashfrog
04-28-2012 9:00 PM


Re: Governor's Inaction
crashfrog writes:
Well, as far as creationism goes, anyway. He's really staked out his own position.
Yeah, he does have his own take on creationism, but he still has one thing in common with most of the rest. A lot of what he writes is incoherent and does not make any sense at all.
Buz for example writes:
That's why my unique Biblical record take on origins, etc do more to kick butt on evolution and the BB, etc than that of creationists educated in the colleges and seminaries etc are more effective in the science fora etc than theirs.
And on top of that he's completely delusional. He still claims he kicks evolutionist butts. It's pathetic.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 124 of 126 (660727)
04-28-2012 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
04-28-2012 8:48 PM


Re: Governor's Inaction
Buz writes:
That's why my unique Biblical record take on origins, etc do more to kick butt on evolution and the BB, etc than that of creationists educated in the colleges and seminaries etc are more effective in the science fora etc than theirs.
Buz, have you ever read one of your own sentences out loud? Try it with that one......do you really think that sounds like it makes sense?
And give me a break, you have never kicked an evolutionist's or physicist's butt. NEVER, NOT ONCE!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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dwise1
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Message 125 of 126 (661045)
05-01-2012 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dwise1
04-11-2012 3:09 AM


Radio Program is On-line
As I wrote on 11 Apr 2012 (nine minutes into that day, so by "tonight" I meant on 10 Apr):
KCRW (a Santa Monica, CA, affiliate of NPR) carried a program tonight interviewing several people, including the former state senator who had authored the bill, but so far it is not up on their site: http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/ww
The bill ... er, law, purports to defend a teacher from repercussions for presenting negative evidence of certain scientific ideas. The bill ... er, law, only specifies science classes to be subject to this law, not other classes. The law specifically targets evolution, climate change, and human cloning. The sponsor of the bill, the aforementioned former state senator, works for a very specifically religious organization. Furthermore, the only "negative evidence of said scientific ideas" can be found amongst creationists and IDists. And a scientist and wife of a high school science teacher interviewed on the afore-linked-to NPR program, "Which Way, LA?", pointed out that teachers have always been allowed to present opposing scientific ideas into their classrooms, so that law is totally unnecessary. The only purpose that the law could possibly serve would be to allow teachers to bring in religious creationist materials.
While the "big" story that night was about baseball, the audio does include the section on the Tennessee law. Go to http://www.kcrw.com/...grams/ww/ww120410looking_back_as_dodg. Right under the main topic title, "Looking Back as Dodger Stadium Celebrates Its Jubilee", and to the left you will see a blue rectangular button that says Listen. Click on that and you can listen to the program. Be patient and about one minute into the program they will finally mention the Tennessee law.
Share and enjoy!

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dwise1
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Message 126 of 126 (661050)
05-01-2012 3:42 PM


Tennessee Law is no Isolated Case
I just visited NCSE to see if any new news on the Tennessee law had been posted. Instead, there are reports from Oklahoma and Louisiana.
From Oklahoma, we have Antiscience effort falters in Oklahoma
(my emphasis added):
quote:
A last-ditch legislative attempt to attack the teaching of evolution and of climate change in Oklahoma failed when a legislative deadline passed. After two antiscience bills, House Bill 1551 and Senate Bill 1742, died in committee, Steve Russell (R-District 45) proposed to amend House Bill 2341 a bill that would have extended by two years a deadline by which local school districts are required to meet certain standards for media, equipment, and textbooks by adding the language from HB 1551, encouraging teachers to present "scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses" of "controversial" topics such as "biological evolution" and "global warming."
Since the legislature will remain in session until 25 May, Russell will undoubtedly attempt to add his amendment to other unrelated bills.
From Louisiana we have Repeal effort fails in Louisiana
(again, my emphasis added):
quote:
Louisiana's Senate Bill 374 (PDF) was rejected on a 2-1 vote in the Senate Committee on Education on April 19, 2012, according to the Alexandria Town Talk (April 19, 2012). Three senators were absent and the chair abstained. The bill, introduced by Karen Carter Peterson (D-District 5), would, if enacted, repeal Louisiana Revised Statutes 17:285.1, which implemented the so-called Louisiana Science Education Act, passed and enacted in 2008, and thus opened the door for scientifically unwarranted criticisms of evolution and climate science to be taught in the state's public schools.
The law targeted for repeal calls on state and local education administrators to help to promote "critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning"; these four topics were described as controversial in the original draft of the legislation. It also allows teachers to use "supplemental textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner" if so permitted by their local school boards.
Since 2008, antievolutionists have not only sought to undermine the law's provision allowing challenges to unsuitable supplementary materials, but have also reportedly invoked the law to support proposals to teach creationism in at least two parishes Livingston and Tangipahoa and to attack the treatment of evolution in biology textbooks proposed for adoption by the state. Meanwhile, the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology urged Louisianans to repeal the law in 2008, and the Society of Integrative and Comparative Biology decided to hold its conferences elsewhere while the law remains on the books.
. . .
Kevin Carman, the dean of Louisiana State University's Department of Science, confirmed {that the law is hurting Louisiana's reputation}, saying that two scientists he was trying to recruit to the university cited the law as their reason not to accept and one scientist already at LSU departed because of worries about the quality of his children's science education. "Teaching pseudo-science drives scientists away," Carman said.
And now again the quote from my Message 1 at the start of this topic (again, my emphasis added):
quote:
Governor Bill Haslam allowed Tennessee's House Bill 368 to become law without his signature on April 10, 2012, according to the Memphis Commercial Appeal (April 10, 2012). The law encourages teachers to present the "scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses" of topics that arouse "debate and disputation" such as "biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."
The same weasel wording keeps showing up in these anti-evolution bills. They are obviously all singing from the same sheet music. As has been happening for the past three decades, these bills are no isolated cases, but rather are part of a larger anti-evolution movement whose tradition, tactics, and arguments go back to circa 1920.

  
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