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Message 1 of 87 (656761)
03-21-2012 9:37 PM


Life energy and TREPIDATION GRAPH - Definitions Reloaded
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What is 'life energy' ? .. What is 'permanence time' ?
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That there is a constant and permanent life energy in inertial state in the Human body is evident since the same physical trepidation occurs by two opposite reasons, causality and free choice, which demonstrates that the inertial state of that life force is only the basic layer for what the real range of life energy is. On the moment the quivering occurs whether by choice [ desire ] or the most remote causes then the inertial layer is physically unacceptable: one's nervous system does not go with that basic and inertial layer but goes with the completeness of the highest range of life energy.
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The translation that is up to date is quivering and trepidation rather than vibration which has no place in it since the original text does not say that the life energy comes from the nerves nor from the nervous system. The life energy flows through the nervous system.
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Life Energy is the life force which, in nervous system, increases the rate of trepidations.
Every trepidation is a quivering and is the physical expression of life energy flowing in nervous system. The sequence of a quivering equates to a sequence of time that might be alternated from a continuous sequence to an immediate and simultaneous sequence.
Permanence time [ or permanence of life ] is the expected time that the life energy will stay in the Human body. Trepidation or quivering might occur for different reasons: rage, famine, desire and other things. The permanence time that is expected for the life energy to stay in the Human body can be extended endlessly when the reason why a sequence of trembling will occur is a trepidation caused by choice and desire.
The appropriate means by which life energy can be extended is the quivering and trepidation caused by choice which occurs by pressing the palms of both hands together, pressed to each other with all one's strength. And the sequence of that quivering is 'time of impact by the shortening between the right and left side of one's brain, which is access to the simultaneity, a property inherent to life energy.
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There are two permanent sequences of time through which a quivering flows and increases by the life force.
See it; Find the access from the end to the beginning:
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______________________________ Life energy and TREPIDATION GRAPH __________________________
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| A continuous sequence of a second after another is the same for inertial observers only.
| The permanent beginning of life energy can be re-initiated/extended endlessly when one's
| life energy won't be in inertial state during the experiment that requires trepidation.
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|___________________________ Initial Time [ immediate and simultaneous sequence ] _______________|
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| Time of impact for simultaneity of life energy in the form of glittering white light.
| Time of impact for mediation between a trepidation and the shortening of that same light.
| Time of impact for termination of continuous sequence. [ Everything that has a beginning has an end ]
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|_______________ Permanent end _______________|____________ Permanent beginning ____________|
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|__________ Time of impact for termination _________|__________ Time of impact for mediation _________|
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|_____________ of continuous sequence ___________|_____ Immediate and simultaneous sequence ____|
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|________________ Determinism _________________|__________________ Freedom ________________|
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|_____________ Involuntary trembling _____________|____________ Free agency Quivering __________|
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|__________________ RAGE ____________________|___________________ DESIRE ________________|
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|___________ Causality; cause and effect __________|___________________ Choice _________________|
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|___________ life energy flows by reaction _________|__________ life energy flows by freewill ________|
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Another kind of knowledge The understanding of times and the relativity of simultaneity
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lef Life energy and existence never had a beginning;
Beth Because there's no beginning of life outside of what is already life energy.
Gmel Everything that has a beginning has an end. Both, the beginning and the end of life, do not occur without a termination of continuous sequence that was initiated by the life energy;
Dlet For there's no end nor beginning of life that is not a termination of continuous sequence.
H And as there's no knowledge nor thoughts without the simultaneity of life energy flowing in immediate and simultaneous sequence; Even so there is no beginning of life if the continuous sequence [ with which life is generated ] does not equate to a gradual fall occurring in immediate and simultaneous sequence [ that is the Initial Time of life energy ].
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Unloaded Complementary Notes
The above Graph puts an end to the dualities when a French man, whether Ren Descartes or a Matrix program, has brought up that 'there is only one constant; the only real force: Causality; Action, reaction; cause and effect. Choice is an illusion, created between those with power and those without. Causality. There is no escape from it. We are forever slaves to it.'
The first directives for the experiment to be accomplished is the distinction between compatible and incompatible frequency of the quivering during the trepidation. Compatibility of the nervous system is necessary for the respective shortening during the experiment to extend the permanence of life energy of the Human body. When a person eats solely what is living then the nervous system is compatible for the life energy to be re-initiated or extended.
The fruits of a tree were made to be extensions of what is living. e.g.: mango, avocado, orange, tangerine, peach, persimmon, pomegranate.
And when a person eats continuously what is not living then the nervous system becomes incompatible; because the sequence of time in it is too continuous and will lack in permanence.
* e.g.: the grains of rice or beans are not living anymore when a person eats them.
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Real life vs too pessimistic archeological-surrealism
As certain as my pet kangoroo rat has always an ace in the sleeve, [ whether 'Die Hard', the kangoroo rat, bluffs or not ], it's only with a timeline that equates to 4,750 years without multiplying, per every 5,000 years interval, that it would be possible for Humanity to have taken 49,000 years to reach 1 million people. If the number of children would always be the same from the beginning to the end of every 4,750 years interval within the rows of 5,000 years from 55,000 years ago then there's still the option of stop thinking by the head of an archeo-surrealist, which equates to stop drifting on numbers as if man is a beast and as if everything that happened in life was a disgrace. — That kind of chronological basis surpasses far beyond Hardy Har Har, a depressed, gloomy pessimistic hyena, always saying, 'Oh dear, oh my, I just know it's all going to go wrong'.

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Message 2 of 87 (656763)
03-21-2012 9:38 PM


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Thread copied here from the Is there a life energy? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 3 of 87 (656765)
03-21-2012 9:48 PM
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03-21-2012 9:37 PM


Shortening in your brain?
I think that explains a LOT!

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Message 4 of 87 (656777)
03-22-2012 3:13 AM
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Yes, there is a life energy. But what you have written does not describe it at all.
It surrounds us and penetrates us. Flows through us. And with a bit of training, we can harness it and redirect it, giving us power that we cannot get from muscles alone, that we lose when we do try to use our muscles instead of Ki. I do not know how to display the kanji for it, but you can see it here. The Chinese call it "qi", which I've usually seen and heard as "chi", while the Japanese call it "ki". The flow of Qi in the body is what is being manipulated in acupuncture. English translations include "mind", "spirit", "life energy", all of which fall short of expressing the concept. George Lucas borrowed it as "The Force", but added on many other attributes that distract the public.
In the Japanese martial art of Aikido ("The Way of Harmonizing Ki" -- the art has diversified greatly in the past decades; what I had studied emphasized Ki techniques and Ki development), we learned to strengthen our own Ki through exercises and the Four Principles (stay relaxed; maintain your center; weight on the under-side; extend your mind). All the warm-up movements used those Four Principles, as did all our techniques. If you have one of the Four Principles, you have all four. If you lose one, you lose them all. With Ki, you can make yourself too heavy to be lifted, make your arm unbendable, make your forefinger and thumb incapable of being separated, "throw" a much stronger opponent (actually, the technique is to lead the attacker to fall), literally flip an attacker in the air, "throw" attackers without ever coming in physical contact with them. All while being relaxed. Going through obstacles by extending my mind through them. Redirecting my momentum by switching which direction I was extending my mind; in school, I would run into a closing elevator that only had room for one more person and as soon as I hit my spot I pivoted, switching the direction of my mind, and completely stopped my motion (though it scared the hell of those behind me who expected me to come crashing through them).
Funny true story: A Seventh-Day Adventist on CompuServe back in the day made a practice of copying creationist books verbatim and posting those regurgitations, "answering" all responses with yet more verbatim regurgitations. When I was finally able to force him to write his own stuff, all he did was to try to convert me. The final straw for him was when he listed all the incredible physical feats his sect's founder, Ellen G. White (uncomfortably close to the name of my ex-wife, AKA "The Spanish Inquisition"). She would fall into a deep trance and, guess what. She could make herself too heavy to be lifted (a frail old woman). She could extend her arm and nobody could bend it. She could place her thumb and forefinger together and nobody could separate them. I replied that when I was in practice I could do all those very same things and much, much more and I never once had to go into any kind of a trance to do any of that. He suddenly had very urgent business to rush off to attend to ... and he was never again seen on CompuServe, that I know of.
The whole idea of the self-defense techniques is that the attacker (referred to as the "nage") is extending his Ki towards the defender (AKA "uke"), so the uke's task is to blend his Ki with that of the nage's, making them one with one center, which the uke makes his own center, thus throwing the nage off-center and powerless against the movement of the new whole about the new center, the uke's. Ideas behind blending include connecting and "taking the slack out", which is part of forming the connection, as well as moving from the center. OK, perform this experiment with another person. Take something like a short rope or a belt (in class, because everybody wore a gi, we would simply use somebody's belt). One person (the uke, I guess) holds one end of the belt and the other, the nage, holds the other. Let the belt be slack. Now have the uke try to move the nage through that belt. A point will be reached where the belt suddenly snaps taut and the uke's motion stops and is not transferred to the nage, who suffers nothing except perhaps a mild case of whiplash. Now, have the uke move back until the belt is taut -- that is "taking out the slack". Now have the uke move and, because he is now connected to the nage, his motion will transfer to the nage and the nage will have to move.
Another part of the techniques is a bit more pragmatic. Some of our exercises involved being locked in a grip from which we needed to free ourselves. Now obviously, in an actual situation, we would have blended our Ki's and our motions and would have acted far before finding ourselves in this kind of a situation. But the normal sequence of events would allow us to blend with the nage's motion and use it. These exercises forced us to re-initiate the motion, as well as to overcome the mental barriers of that deathly grip on our wrist. The nage has our wrist gripped firmly and overwhelmingly strongly with both his hands. If we try to move it towards him, he will resist. If we try to move it away from him, he will resist. If we move it at right angles between us, then he is powerless to resist; if the uke offers no resistence, then the nage cannot offer any resistence. Now the next part of the exercise. Our wrist is firmly gripped by both the nage's hands. So how do we move our wrist? By not moving the wrist. If we try to move the wrist, then our mind stops at the wrist and we are trapped. What's the Fourth Ki Principle? Extend the mind (AKA "extend Ki", AKA extend all possible incomplete definitions of Ki). Don't move the wrist, but rather move your finger (the index finger works well here). You are extending your Ki out through your finger and when your finger moves, then so does the rest of the hand and the wrist and the arm and the body that's attached to that arm.
Here's another exercise which I found rather interesting. The nage has the uke grasped firmly and inescapably with both hands on both wrists. After taking the slack out (thus blending the nage's Ki to the uke's), the uke moves into the nage. The left hand remains level, as if it's traversing the top of a table. The right hand it following its index finger that has started moving up towards a cascading over the nage's head. The nage's mind is now divided between the uke's two hands: the uke's left hand moving the nage's entire body backwards off his center and the uke's right hand directing the nage's mind upwards, taking his weight off the under-side, and over the top, leading the nage into a fall. And if the uke at any point tries to muscle his way through this, he will immediately fail. It is all accomplished through the flow of Ki, through the flow of life energy, through The Force.
Admittedly, I have in the past decade-plus made more mundane use of Ki. I really didn't get introduced to music until around the age of 14 when my family finally bought a record player. Close to the same time (circa 1965; Rubber Soul), popular music also became listenable for me. But then circa 1972 with the "50's Revival" fueled in part by the play, "Grease", I found popular music to have stagnated, whereupon, courtesy of then-Walter (now-Wendy) Carlos' "Switched-on Bach", I switched over to "classical" music (from a Garrison Keillor "Prairie Home Companion" commercial, "Classical music lovers believe that the only good musician is a dead musician ... and the longer the better!"). I was a listener, who listened to everything going on in the music, but there was no physical connection so I would sit motionless. Later, I heard a woman complain about people attending concerts who just sat there motionless, which to her meant that they weren't enjoying the music so why were they there? I explained to her that they are listeners and shared what that means. My ex-wife was a life-long dancer (though clueless about partner dancing) who could never sit motionless to music, but there was so much that she never would listen to nor could hear (eg, an ironic twist to the lyrics of an Irish song she would dance to, but never listen to the words, while a listener hears all).
So then, when I met my ex, I had never learned to dance. So she "tried to teach me", by which she did nothing other than to tell me "just listen to the music and do what it tells you to do." Absolutely worthless. I could hear everything in the music, so just exactly what do I follow? What is the music telling me? Everything, and nothing. In the meantime, I studied music theory, but that discipline's treatment of rhythm is different from what dancers are talking about. And since I could not understand my later-to-be-ex's non-instruction, for the next 25 years she classified me as being completely without rhythm and incapable of ever learning how to dance.
And yet, in the Spring of 2000, I got us both into a salsa class, one which turned out to be intermediate level, but then since learning to dance was supposed to be impossible for me, how could I tell the difference. A co-worker at work had arranged for this teacher to come on-site for these once-a-week lessons and since her work (school teacher) kept her away for a month or two, I started the lessons on my own ahead of time, since I needed all the help I could get. In that very first dance lesson of mine, faced with all these new steps and turnings and the like ... I immediately drew upon my old Aikido warm-up exercises. And in that first dance sequence he taught us there was an inside-turn. Immediately I remembered moving the point of connection at right angles with all other parts of the body that are connected following quite naturally, while I was able to feel the connection throughout the move, knowing to use the connection and the motion and not any kind of muscling through it. And at the end of that very first dance lesson I had ever had in my life, all the women complimented me on my strong and smooth lead.
Three or four years later in Lindy class, tandem Charleston (AKA "shadow Charleston") to be exact, somebody else asked the teacher how much force to use and the answer was to not use force. But I had only half-heard that, so what I heard was, "Don't use The Force." And I nearly cried out, "Don't use The Force? But everything I do depends on using The Force!"
Life Force does exist. Many of us, including Steven Segal (who is the first foreigner to operate an Aikido dojo in Japan), are intimately familiar with that. What you are talking about is completely different.

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Message 5 of 87 (656784)
03-22-2012 4:40 AM
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One thing isn't entirely clear to me still. I do not really know your views except your experience with evolution So I would like to ask Ki is natural or supernatural according to you? I have little experience with the concept, but what I knew seemed to make it rather supernatural, and I'm not sure what to make of your post.
Edited by WSW24, : No reason given.

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Message 6 of 87 (656786)
03-22-2012 5:11 AM
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What we do not understand will seem supernatural.
What I experienced is very real and has been experienced by many others. Our mind-set (relaxed, centered, weight underside, Ki extended) is a definitely a factor.
Around the time of Toshiro Mifune's western movie with Alain Delon and Charles Bronson ("Red Sun", 1971), a fellow Aikidokai discussed Mifune's martial arts techniques in the movie as being completely describable and explainable in terms of modern physics -- sorry, but I do not remember any details.
I have personally experienced Ki and continue to use it (especially since I still dance). If I were to find myself in a self-defense situation, I would naturally use Ki. It is real to me, even though the conceptual basis is in Japanese mysticism. Conceptually, it does seem to be based in the supernatural, but experientially it is something real.
As for my overall philosophy ... . I do not rule out the supernatural arbitrarily. I do rule out our ability to deal with the supernatural. So the supernatural could exist, but we cannot really say anything definitive about the supernatural. Even if some supernatural entity were to exist, I do not allow that any of our fallible human ramblings could truly describe such a supernatural entity's desires and intentions.
But moving from our center works. Moving others through our center and our connection to them does work. Taking the slack out works. Blending motion works. Moving from our center to move others works.
In other words, Ki works.

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Message 7 of 87 (656787)
03-22-2012 5:31 AM
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03-21-2012 9:37 PM


Just out of interest, have you ever looked at a basic textbook describing the operation of the nervous system, because it doesn't sound like you have.
I don't know if you have just chosen to make up totally new terms for things that actually do exist or are just making things up off the top of your head. Either way, what you are writing is nonsense scientifically.
I thought maybe this was some sort of weird woo rationalisation for a raw food diet. However since no plants have a nervous system they would seem to be ruled out. So is your suggestion that to extend the permanence of our life energies we should only eat still living animals? Are you sure you aren't thinking about how to become a vampire instead?
There is energy in living things and it is in 2 forms, chemical and electrical energy.
TTFN,
WK

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Message 8 of 87 (656859)
03-22-2012 3:24 PM
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This star we call the sun has thermonuclear reactions taking place
turning Hydrogen into Helium. This gives rise to photons (light energy) eminating from this star. The photons do a 8 min journey from the sun to our planet and strike the leaves of plants. The plants are life forms that have evolved on our planet that use this energy from the sun as well as store it. Animal life eat the plants and release this stored energy by way of the kreb cycle that turns glucose into energy for the animals cells. So there is no life energy, there is just energy.

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Message 9 of 87 (656860)
03-22-2012 3:50 PM
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03-21-2012 9:37 PM


Life Energy is the life force or living energy which, in nervous system, increases the rate of nervous vibrations.
Let's start here before we move on. What are these vibrations, and what is the mechanism of vibration?
Nerve fibers are not violin strings. Nerve impulses are caused by changes in membrane potential down the length of the nerve axon. When the nerve impulse reaches a synapse it causes the release of neurotransmitters that cause the same moving impulse in the next nerve cell. You can read all about it here. Nothing in the process looks like a "vibration", so I am really wondering what you are talking about.

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Message 10 of 87 (656866)
03-22-2012 5:50 PM
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03-22-2012 3:50 PM


Trepidation does not occur for nothing but occasionally
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updated definition,
Life Energy is the life force which, in nervous system, increases the rate of trepidations.
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Taq writes:
.. Nerve impulses are caused ...
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The point being defined is not how nerve impulses are caused. Nerve impulse is just a consequence of the presence of life.
In other words, life energy is more than the natural property of being alive.
Would you like a clue on how the life energy is detected? Trepidation does not occur for nothing.
Trepidation [ evidence of that constant range of life energy ] occurs occasionally.
You ascertain the trepidation of that energy in moments of rage, famine, desire and other things.
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By the experiment one might verify and ascertain if the life energy can be extended endlessly. The result will indicate whether the life force that flows in the Human body was initiated from a source of life energy or not.
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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

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Message 11 of 87 (656867)
03-22-2012 5:55 PM
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Re: Trepidation does not occur for nothing but occasionally
Would you like a clue on how the life energy is detected? Trepidation does not occur for nothing.
the woo is strong with this one.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 12 of 87 (656868)
03-22-2012 6:04 PM
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03-22-2012 5:31 AM


Understanding of times and the relativity of simultaneity
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Wounded King writes:
Either way, what you are writing is .....
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One might say 'either way' but there is no other way without you seeing another kind of knowledge that is the understanding of times and the relativity of simultaneity [ which applies to the different sequences of time ]. The understanding of times and relativity of simultaneity applies specifically to the activity of a living light which moves with a fading effect, and not in a continuous movement along the density of the clouds.
If you don't apply that knowledge to the simultaneity [fading effect] of lightning that what one literally sees when the white light glitters and walks in heaven during a sequence of time that is not a continuous sequence, then you're still having the classical notion that the duration of the time interval between two events is equal for all observers.
The continuous sequence [ one second after another ] is the same for all inertial observers regardless of the form of motion [ simultaneity - fading effect ] of the source of living energy [ the living light ] which is often not seen or seen just as an ordinary lightning.
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Wounded King writes:
that to extend the permanence of our life energies we should only eat still living animals? Are you sure you aren't thinking about how to become a vampire instead?
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There are good bats out there who eat what is living from a long ago. You don't have to be a vampire when eating solely what is living. Those good bats are fructarians and they don't eat living animals but they still eat what is living: e.g.: mango, avocado, orange, tangerine, peach, persimmon, pomegranate.
The fruits of a tree were made to be an extension of what is living. However, if you eat any variety of grain or the seed of any fruit then you will be destroying that seed rather than eating solely what is living.
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Message 13 of 87 (656885)
03-22-2012 7:40 PM
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03-22-2012 6:04 PM


Re: Understanding of times and the relativity of simultaneity
If you don't apply that knowledge to the simultaneity [fading effect] of lightning that what one literally sees when the white light glitters and walks in heaven during a sequence of time that is not a continuous sequence, then you're still having the classical notion that the duration of the time interval between two events is equal for all observers.
I don't know about any shortening that may or may not be in my brain, but I worry that yours may be getting rancid, CD.

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Message 14 of 87 (656892)
03-22-2012 8:32 PM
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03-22-2012 4:40 AM


So I would like to ask Ki is natural of supernatural according to you?
If i may i think its more of an evolved/learned understanding of physics. And controling your body to do a task with the least effort on your part but doing something that seems to require a lot of effort.
Examples
-Punching trough something that should brake your arm or should be impossible.
Firstly if you wont punch trough then it will brake your arm or as some say it will punch you back. Basic physics either the energy of your blow gets transferred to the object and dispersed as the object is braking or it gets distributed trough the object and your hand thus causing you pain or braking your arm.
-Punching with inhuman force
Basically you have to "gather" your energy from the furthest point on your body and move it all the way to the point that makes contact with the object. Kind of like a whip as the energy is transferred from the thick end of the whip t words the thin at the end it causes the final part of the whip to go supersonic thus causing the popping effect.
-Making yourself to "heavy" to lift
Centre of gravity we humans can easily shift our centre of gravity to all sorts of positions placing your centre of gravity low and away from your body you can make it significantly harder for someone to lift you.
-Throwing giant heavy people around like they are made of Styrofoam,
again centre of gravity you just have to apply enough force to shift their centre of gravity and let gravity do the rest
or redirect their kinetic energy just enough so they land on their face
or a combination of both
Acupuncture
Id call placebo effect on this one if you convince yourself to let someone poke needles in to you then you must have convinced yourself that this will work
Basically everything can be explained and is not supernatural because it follows natural laws even though some people may do amazing things using qi it all falls down back to basic physics im not saying that they are not masters of their body, their mind, and physics but i am saying that its not supernatural.

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Message 15 of 87 (656898)
03-22-2012 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by frako
03-22-2012 8:32 PM


frako writes:
Making yourself to "heavy" to lift
Centre of gravity we humans can easily shift our centre of gravity to all sorts of positions placing your centre of gravity low and away from your body you can make it significantly harder for someone to lift you.
It is easier than that.
You just need to turn yourself into a 'dead weight'.
An unconscious person is considerably more difficult to lift than a conscious person - unless you use a suitable lifting technique (e.g. a fireman's lift).
You can make yourself almost impossible to lift simply by relaxing your body.
tbh: all the tricks I have seen martial artists do are exactly that: tricks.
Ranging from chopping bricks in half through to 'extraordinary strength' - all illusions.

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