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"Woman" = "worse" to you and the Bible,

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Not according to the bible. I only call God 'he' because he himself call's himself it. Unless you think the bible does not say this?I can understand how Schraff would probably think 'why should God be a he'. But to understand why we call him 'he' is very clear in scriptures. However, femininity I think is a better thing than masculinity, so in this sense there is a possibility of a 'she' side even with God. Surely if God is more sensible and loving he does posses femininity, or a characteristic which is very similar. Ofcourse this is all speculation on my part, so if Schraff does get punished, I too will have to be punished.

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Ah, now we get down to it. "Woman" = "worse" to you and the Bible, so naturally God must be male, because male is better.

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Well, you can think like that, if you like. That's just one more thing that drives me away from religion.

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Well, yes, we already knew that Buz is a sexist, so it's no surprise that he would consider it insulting or degrading to refer to his god as a female.Don't worry, Buz!I would never really think that the God of the Bible is female.He's much too insecure, violent, threatening, and careless to be anything other than male.(sorry, guys. I hope you know I am generalizing here.)[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-06-2003]

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Not according to the bible. I only call God 'he' because he himself call's himself it. Unless you think the bible does not say this?

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Well, I'd agree with you there Mike. The god portrayed in the bible does appear to be male. Whether or not the god actually is male though... I'm still going for the whole "written by men" thing as a root cause.

Perhaps we are made in his image after all.

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I would never really think that the God of the Bible is female.

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Personally, I love how Seor Jehovah puts menstruation and leprosy in the same 'unclean' category. That anyone can look at Leviticus as anything other than sick humor is beyond me.------------------
The bear thought his son could talk in space about the time matter has to rotate but twisted heaven instead.
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Understanding the god Jehovah is to read his book of over a thousand pages in which he's self depicted as male gender. Spirit deity needs nothing physical including specific body parts to determine gender.

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Which is why I said, "Unless you seperate gender and sex." If there is one thing I learned from my cultural anthropology class, it is that in some cultures a male woman can be married to a female woman who can also be married to a male man who may or may not be married to a female man.The only way it makes sense to speak of gender outside of sex is to reference a specific culture. In some cultures the men are feminized compared to our culture, and the woman are masculinized compared to our culture. He can be either or considering what culture you are from. So why would it be wrong to call God "she" if all of his characteristics are consistent with those of woman in my(speaking for a different culture)culture?

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Don't try to make him human. His inspired words says he's male, all 1000 + pages of them.

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We are trying to figure out what it means for a being with no sex to be considered male. My best guess is what I stated previously: God is only male relative to a certain culture. What do you think it means?

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You wanta feminize him, go ahead at your own risk, but remember one thing........he also refers of himself as a "consuming fire" and he, the god of love, does get fed up eventually and becomes the god of wrath. Just a helpful warning from a friend. Ok?

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I don't want to feminize him, I want to understand what it means for an eternal non-reproducing being to be male.And I can sympthatize with God. The next time someone questions my gender (not my sex), I might be forced to consume them in fire. Should teach them a lesson.JustinC

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Ah, now we get down to it. "Woman" = "worse" to you and the Bible, so naturally God must be male, because male is better.

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You're trying to spread false stuff about me. Where did I ever say male is better?? The fairer sex is overall physically weaker than the male. True or false? Please get it right when posting about others, Crashy. This's is false malignment of the character of fellow posters.

Buz, if you didn't think that it was bad to be feminine, then you wouldn't think God would be offended if referred to as a female.

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The fairer sex is overall physically weaker than the male. True or false?

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Generally, that's true.However, relatively speaking, women have proportionately stronger legs and trunks than men, while men have much stronger upper bodies than women.for instance, My husband and I are of similar height, and my frame is medium and his frame is pretty thick and broad-shouldered.I leg press over 200 pounds (12 reps), and my overhead press is about 45 pounds (12 reps).He leg presses just a little more than me, but his overhead press is easily double what I can do, even though I have the more physical job and lift heavy things repeatedly at work.So, it's not really as simple as "women are physically weaker".

Don't forget that women tend to have much tougher constitutions than men, as well as higher pain thresholds. I think it has to do with the rigours of childbirth... Anyone know anything more solid than my inane guesses?

That's a myth, I think. For the first part I don't know how you would even begin to measure "constitution", except by looking at somebody's character sheet. As for the second I'm familiar with research that indicates the opposite - men have a significantly higher threshold before they'll characterize a stimulus as "painful" than women do. If you were referring to some kind of upper pain threshold, that's not something I'm familiar with. What is supposed to happen past that threshold? How would you recognize if somebody had passed it? Via what metric would you quantify "pain"?

The average woman, being physically smaller than the average man, would be physically less strong, yes. On the other hand if you compared a man and a woman of the same build and size, they'd be about equally strong, I suspect.Is that enough to characterize all women with such a loaded word as weak? Not hardly. And nothing in your previous statement indicated that you meant "weak" to refer to just the physical. Indeed, since God has no body, and therefore physical strength would be irrelevant, we can assume that when you referred to women as "weak", you meant in other ways besides the physical.I find such a deception rather distasteful. Or if you deny it, then why would you refer to the physical aspects of women in a discussion about whether a non-physical entity has male or female characteristics? Of what relevance is physical strength to this discussion?

How does physical strength enter into this? You were taking about strength in leadership! Unless you mean big-muscles = good leadership.Well, worked for the Governator in CA.

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...research that indicates the opposite - men have a significantly higher threshold...

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Is that the same study that showed that womens ability to endure pain was improved by caffeine while mens stayed the same or is it a different one?As I recall the study I'm thinking of was done by measuring how long they could endure imersion of some bodypart or another in ice-water....

I don't remember.