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dronestar
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Message 31 of 81 (651314)
02-06-2012 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2012 11:22 AM


Re: LessonS learned?
Your reply, filled with such detailed, clear, intelligent, and honest counter-points, has rendered all my arguments destroyed.
Kudos AE.

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Message 32 of 81 (651317)
02-06-2012 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
02-05-2012 10:45 PM


My question is, why don't the liberal establishment and the media (but I'm being redundant) take this kind of thing seriously
I guess there are two broad possibilities.
1. There is a vast (ie., global) media conspiracy of all but one media outlet to not report violent Iranian attitudes towards Israel.
2. There is actually nothing worth taking seriously and there is a small conspiracy of one 'news' agency (WND) to make out that there is something to take seriously.
One of the options has evidence to support it (ie., WND are known cranks), the other is evidence free.
I wonder which one should be thought of as the preferred hypothesis?

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bluegenes
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Message 33 of 81 (651321)
02-06-2012 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2012 11:02 AM


Re: Liberal Jews.
Artemis writes:
I don't think they are liberal,...
So you don't agree that far more Jews vote Democrat than Republican, and that that's been consistent for the last century.
Then you are ignorant of the subject, and you are wrong.
Artemis writes:
just as I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Then you think wrong.
Artemis writes:
I have lunch with them [Jews] everyday Monday through Friday.
Being a group with such a tragic history, they've clearly become hardened to suffering.

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dronestar
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Message 34 of 81 (651324)
02-06-2012 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2012 11:22 AM


Re: LessonS learned?
Drone writes:
3. The US surrounding Iran's border with military bases is threatening, increases risk of hostilities. How would you feel if Iran had military bases in Mexico and Canada? Condemnation?
Yep, those intimidating and hostile Iranians are reeealy threatening the usa all-right.
The map is from "Why Not Attack Iran?":
zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information.
Edited by dronester, : added link.

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Message 35 of 81 (651325)
02-06-2012 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
02-05-2012 10:45 PM


I know this report is from WND, home of a lot of cranks, but one might ask why this isn't reported elsewhere?
Did the Ayatollah say this or not? Does this represent state policy for Iran? And if so, why is it being ignored by the media?
Seriously, this post is exactly like the Obama stuff I used to jump all over Buzsaw for uploading.
And if so...???
Does this represents state policy? Did the Ayatollah actually said this?
Don't you think we ought to answer those questions before we start jumping all over the supposedly liberal media? I mean you seem to know that WND is crank paper.
You haven't done the homework to support your rant. As a result, you have initiated a shadow71 level dogpile. For all we know, you might, by dint of sheer accident, be right, at least in a stopped clock sense.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Message 36 of 81 (651327)
02-06-2012 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by NoNukes
02-06-2012 1:17 PM


From USA Today:
Israelis face growing threats in Middle East
USA TODAY
So no, it is not just a conspiracy theory passed on by Whirled Nuts Daily.
Perhaps it is something that needs to be taken seriously.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 37 of 81 (651328)
02-06-2012 1:34 PM


There is only one nation (Iran) that publicly calls for the destruction of another nation (Israel).
you can deny the facts if you want to.
in case you think this is made up and is from bad new sources (unless of course you think the BBC and New York times are bad sources).
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran leader's comments attacked
Iranian President writes:
Our dear Imam (Ali Khamenei) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine.
Text of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech - The New York Times
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Message 38 of 81 (651329)
02-06-2012 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by dronestar
02-06-2012 1:06 PM


Re: LessonS learned?
oh my an image of Iran and places names with stars.
care to provide a link or just images with stars on it?
BTW: many of those are NATO bases, For example Mazar-i-sharif is run by the Germans. Somehow I guess Germans occupying a base counts for the United States in your logical mind. zomg

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NoNukes
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Message 39 of 81 (651336)
02-06-2012 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
02-06-2012 1:26 PM


Wrong conspiracy theory
So no, it is not just a conspiracy theory passed on by Whirled Nuts Daily.
I don't remember seeing you demonstrate obtuseness on this scale in your past posts. The conspiracy theory I'm calling you on is your implication that the liberal media ignores Iran's threats.
But we know that the mainstream media does in fact report threats when they are made.
In this case, you have yet to establish that the state of Iran is actually responsible for the remarks reported in WND. You've even expressed doubt in your original post.
But the doubts do not stop you from engaging in wild speculation about why the media is ignoring Iran simply based on their not having reported the story in WND. And then you attempt to make your point by linking to an article in USA today? Wha???? Aren't they part of the mainstream media?
Surely you've read enough comments by now that have made this exact same point. If that weren't enough, surely you must have noticed Artie agreeing with you.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Dr Adequate
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Message 40 of 81 (651339)
02-06-2012 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
02-06-2012 1:26 PM


So no, it is not just a conspiracy theory passed on by Whirled Nuts Daily.
The story you cited from WND is just blather from WND.
If you'd started an OP saying: "Should we be worried about Iran?" then quite probably everyone would have said YES. But you didn't. You posted a piece of idiocy from WND and then lashed into "liberals" and "the media" for not being equally dishonest and retarded. Drawing people's attention to an imaginary threat and then lambasting them for not taking it seriously is not a good way to draw their attention to a real threat, no matter how many conservative brownie points it wins you.
But of course the conservative brownie points are what matters, aren't they? You don't want to ask questions like: "Do you support Israel's right to exist" or "Do you think all the Jews should be killed", or "Do you support Iranian theocracy", because you know perfectly well what answers you'd get. Instead you need a wedge issue, such as: "Do you think that this article from WND is ridiculous", because liberals, who are sane, will say: "Yes, completely ridiculous", and then conservatives like AE, who are nuts, can prance around and pretend that that means that liberals support the Ayatollah. Getting everyone to agree about Iran would be easy. You have set yourself the more difficult task of pretending that there is a difference, so that you can make this into a partisan issue. Fortunately for you, there is a difference between liberals and conservatives, though not about Iran. It's the difference between the sane and the mad.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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dronestar
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Message 41 of 81 (651348)
02-06-2012 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2012 1:40 PM


Re: LessonS learned?
The map is from "Why Not Attack Iran?":
zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information.
Now please present the map that shows hostile Iranian military bases surrounding the usa.

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Message 42 of 81 (651360)
02-06-2012 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
02-06-2012 1:26 PM


What about that article do you think supports your position? I'm not seeing where it lends any support to WND's position that the website is a "proxy" for the Iranian government.

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Message 43 of 81 (651361)
02-06-2012 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
02-06-2012 1:26 PM


How does that post respond to the accusation that the point in your OP was false? You argued that the liberal media overlooked an important threat from Iran that the WND reported on. Where's the evidence that the article you pointed out in the OP should have been reported by the other medias?
Edited by Son, : No reason given.
Edited by Son, : No reason given.

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Dr Jack
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Message 44 of 81 (651372)
02-06-2012 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Granny Magda
02-06-2012 8:07 AM


I spent my Saturday afternoon on the streets of my home city demonstrating against fascism. I saw religious organisations represented. I saw ethnic organisations represented. I saw left-wing organisations - lots of them - represented.
You live in Leicester too, huh?

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Dr Jack
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Message 45 of 81 (651374)
02-06-2012 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
02-05-2012 11:22 PM


People call for stupid things on the internet everyday, condemnation simply brings the light of attention to them. You can find far right sites based in the US and the UK calling for a war against Islam, or for everyone with the wrong skin colour to be driven into the sea, or for the deaths of every Catholic or protestant. Spending pointless energy on these nutjobs is futile, acting outraged that bodies haven't raised a protest against a particular example of frothing idiocy is an exercise in outrage for outrage's sake and nothing more.
Iran is not a significant threat to Israel, or the lives of Israelis. Iran, however, does face significant threats to both its existence and the lives of it people.

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