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Author Topic:   ACTA and democracy?
Son
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Message 1 of 3 (649637)
01-24-2012 4:34 PM


I don't know if you guys have heard of it but there has been some news about this "trade agreement" whose stated purpose is similiar to SOPA/PIPA with keys differences. That's why I made a new topic about it since it's quite a different beast compared to SOPA/PIPA:
1)it's a trade agreement that bypasses democratic process while still establishing criminal sentences(from the wired site linked below)
quote:
Acta has been largely negotiated behind closed doors, with many participating parties being forced to sign NDAs before being allowed to see Acta documents. It is very difficult to find out who wrote it and what happened during the negotiations. It is highly unusual for criminal sanctions of this scale to be negotiated without democratic process. Organisations that have tried to find out more information about the processes used have failed to uncover all of the details. "Even if you are in favour of more copyright, you should be against ACTA because it has not been done democratically," says Andrew Robinson, the Pirate Party's Culture, Media & Sport spokesperson
  —wired
2)complete secrecy due it being a trade agreement (instead of a bill)
ACTA Worse than SOPA and Classified as National Security by Obama and Bush - Inquisitr
http://www.unitedliberty.org/...-you-need-to-know-about-acta
3)it would also affect material goods and would make generic drugs harder to make/sell (given the results on the price of healthcare in the US, it should be particuliarly worrying), it's even backed by Monsanto and the like. Imagine this combined with Monsanto patenting a certain race of pig that are already being bred in 160 countries :
Attention Required! | Cloudflare
For more information:
What is Acta and why should you be worried about it? - A guide to ACTA | Page 2 | WIRED UK
quote:
According to the controversial Article 23, criminal penalties should be applied "in cases of wilful trademark counterfeiting or copyright or related rights piracy on a commercial scale", although the phrase "commercial scale" is not clearly defined and specifically removes the intentionality, i.e. it doesn't matter whether a company intends to make a profit from the pirated content, it only matters whether it has the scale of a commercial operation. Criminal sanctions should also be made available for those "aiding and abetting" infringement on a commercial scale. Critics argue that this means that ISPs and data centres would potentially be liable for aiding and abetting any commercial website that features a copyright infringing piece of content. "This is the nuclear weapon against any actor on the internet," says Jrmie Zimmermann.
  —wired
From this following link illustrating the alarming secrecy surrounding this "trade agreement":
Death and Taxes Archives - SPIN
quote:
Before proceeding, however, it should be noted that WikiLeaks cables relating to the ACTA negotiations have made possible the mounting anti-ACTA campaign. As Quadrature du Net noted nearly a year ago, if not for WikiLeaks, people would still be ignorant of the fact that many countries party to the agreement were incensed over the lack of a democratic process (imposed by the U.S. and Japan), as well as the fact that non-participating, poorer countries would eventually join by coercion. (Read the Quadrature du Net compilation of relevant WikiLeaks cables for background.)
  —death
I'm not that knowledgeable about this kind of stuff but it looks pretty alarming to me. Moreover, I can't grasp it all for now so I would like some more input from you guys.

Son
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Message 2 of 3 (649778)
01-25-2012 1:50 PM


At first, I saw that SOPA/PIPA went first through the proposed new topics before being promoted to the coffe house but that it's not the case for other subjects in the same forum so I'm a bit confused as to how I was supposed to propose the topic now. Could anyone clarify this?
AS for this topic, I'd like it to be promoted to the coffee house.

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01-25-2012 1:57 PM


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