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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Sorry about not replying. I did reply to your second post, though.
But they are 'off limits' to challenges because they cannot be falsified. So how do you prove them wrong But if I was to say the fairies in my toilet say that when I die I will become part of the underground kingdom that would be equally unfalsifiable but people would say in a very firm voice 'don't be stupid'. Why not so for beleiveing that when we die we will ascend to heaven of descend to hell?The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Yeah, my wife and I brave Chris Moyles when 'thought for the day'.
It is always something like "In this time of economic crisis people crave materialist goods. What would Jesus say?". Gives me the right 'ump.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Do we go out of our way to ridicule our co-workers who believe in ghosts or von Daniken conspiracy theories, or do we largely just leave them alone as long as they don't leave their work for us to do? I'll be honest and say I take them to task. My wife hates it.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I can't remember the specifics or even who first said it but it's something along the lines of "a man can say that god talks to him and that's fine and acceptable, but a man that says god talks to him through his toaster is crazy. Why does the addition of a toaster make it crazy?" I want to say Sam Harris, but I'm sure he was repeating it from someone else.
Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell |
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
Yes, we (or atleast I) do. I have two colleagues who think Derek Ogilvie is the shiznits, and I ride them everytime they bring it up. This of course makes me the asshole (according to them). However, my other two colleagues agree with me, yet don't speak up when they bring that shit up because "well, that's just what they believe". Well yeah, "but if I were to proclaim my belief in the flying spaghetti monster you wouldn't allow me to show up to work in my pirate regalia, now would you, you tosser!" "Now you're just being silly". "Really, what's the difference between one irrational belief and the other?" ".....". "exactly". Do we go out of our way to ridicule our co-workers who believe in ghosts or von Daniken conspiracy theories, or do we largely just leave them alone as long as they don't leave their work for us to do? Anyway..... That's enough ranting for now. Back to being amicable little Huntard.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But if I was to say the fairies in my toilet say that when I die I will become part of the underground kingdom that would be equally unfalsifiable but people would say in a very firm voice 'don't be stupid'. Why not so for beleiveing that when we die we will ascend to heaven of descend to hell? Honestly, I suppose: popularity and tradition.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Honestly, I suppose: popularity and tradition. I think it is different over here. If you have strong religious beliefs it is normally kept quiet as it is often looked on as strange. At least in the circles I move in. When I do come across someone of faith I try and engage them in lively debate. My wife hates it. Edited by Larni, : Stupid iPhone The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Perhaps religion gets a free pass because people don't want to pay the social costs of ridiculing people who hold views that a large minority of people agree with.
When I debate with creationists on this web page, I find myself having to say very unkind things in response to unkind and/or ridiculous statements. Why would I want to have such a conversation with people that I have to work for, work with, and/or whose company I enjoy. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Because I can assure you that 9 out of 10 of those people would very much think differently of you if they knew you were (are you??) an atheist. Atheist is still a dirty word. Numerous polls have shown that a) atheists would never get elected, b) most parents wouldn't let their children date an atheist (in the south, they would let their white daughter marry a black man before an atheist). It's only in the most liberal of liberal parts of the US (Oregon, NY, most of Cali??) where it's no big deal to be an atheist. It's quite alright for religious to get on the street corner and yell about rapture and salvation (Ray fucking Comfort does it in Huntington? beach) but god forbid an atheist says word one about zombie jews "you're oppressing me! Leave my beliefs alone".
So, religion deserves this free pass and it's quite alright to openly mock atheists??? Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Because I can assure you that 9 out of 10 of those people would very much think differently of you if they knew you were (are you??) an atheist. I'm not an atheist. It turns out that being a Christian does not require me to hold beliefs about cosmology, biology, and paleontology that are contrary to science. I'm also not required to defend or support the beliefs of creationists. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
What beliefs are you talking about? I said that mockingly and was paraphrasing. But if you insist, I was referring to the beliefs that make you a christian. Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I think it must be a bit different over here. Anyone who firmly witnesses their xian beliefs gets funny looks and is given a wide birth.
A bit like how one might treat some who really believes in astrology or mediums: someone not quite 'with it'. Saying "I don't believe in god" nets far less negativity. The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Larni writes: I think it must be a bit different over here. Anyone who firmly witnesses their xian beliefs gets funny looks and is given a wide birth. It's much, much different - although it's changing for the worse here too. Religious beliefs are rarely mentioned in politics here and if they are, people are suspicious of them. Tony Blair's government famously said "we don't do God", then as soon as he was out of office he got himself baptised Catholic - the two faced, lying git. The US is very different - for a country that tries to keep religion out of its secular institutions, it's all over them. Compared to the UK, the US is obsessed with religion and to a Brit's eyes it's often a quite extreme form of fundamental Christianity. I'd never a met a fundy until I went to Colorado - they're a frightening bunch. A woman asked me if I was going to go to their church on Sunday, I explained that I was an atheist so no. She took a step backwards grabbed her child and scurried off. Mediaeval behaviour but not, unfortunately, a one off.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I explained that I was an atheist so no. She took a step backwards grabbed her child and scurried off. Mediaeval behaviour but not, unfortunately, a one off. I remember my dad say about people and religion "I don't care if people are religious, just ass long as they don't ram it down my throat". I wonder if fundies think that atheist want to ram their lack of belief down the fundies throat or, that atheism is catching and that's why the woman recoiled from you?The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I wonder if fundies think that atheist want to ram their lack of belief down the fundies throat or, that atheism is catching and that's why the woman recoiled from you? The look on her face was a combination of surprise and fear. Sort of "I thought you were such a nice man, now I've just found out that you're an axe murderer" They genuinely think that you're Satan. I've had one tell me as much.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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