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Author Topic:   Well this is awkward... Used to be a YEC
jar
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Message 168 of 358 (646135)
01-03-2012 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by mike the wiz
01-03-2012 10:56 AM


Re: Unanswered Whys Of Science
Again Mike, you simply misrepresent my position.
I start with the evidence that life exists.
I have no position on whether or not there is some designer.
I look at the evidence.
The evidence shows natural causes.
So far not one single un-natural cause has ever been found.
If you present evidence of some un-natural cause then I will consider that evidence and if the evidence for your un-natural cause is sufficient then I will change my position.

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Message 174 of 358 (646270)
01-03-2012 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Buzsaw
01-03-2012 9:16 PM


Re: Unanswered Whys Of Science
Please provide a link to a post where you presented any evidence of any Exodus crossing.

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Message 192 of 358 (646331)
01-04-2012 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Dawn Bertot
01-04-2012 7:51 AM


Re: Utter rubbish!
Dawn writes:
Instead of grandstanding and making speeches, just show me where my errors are and why my beliefs are getting in the way of my thinking.
There is evidence for natural cause. Not one single example of a supernatural cause has ever been found.
Until you realize those facts, your beliefs are getting in the way of truth.

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Message 200 of 358 (646489)
01-04-2012 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by foreveryoung
01-04-2012 7:32 PM


Re: Utter rubbish!
It should be considered religious writing and totally irrelevant to science or reality.

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jar
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Message 205 of 358 (646495)
01-04-2012 7:55 PM
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01-04-2012 7:45 PM


Re: Utter rubbish!
Its a good thing then no one said anyone should deny reality, what was said is that the reality is that religious texts are religious texts and not science and have no place in science classes.

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Message 238 of 358 (647320)
01-09-2012 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Dawn Bertot
01-09-2012 7:40 AM


Re: Dont throw that rock yet
Intelligent Design is not fit for the Science Classroom.
There is no evidence of an Intelligent Designer.
It would be a valid subject for a Religion, Creative Writing or Fiction classroom.

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jar
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Message 257 of 358 (647544)
01-10-2012 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Dawn Bertot
01-10-2012 12:52 AM


Re: Dont throw that rock yet
Oh, but Dawn it most certainly is true.
So far you have not shown any evidence of an non-natural cause.
Until you present some evidence and model of how this non-natural Designer effects change ID is not a subject for Science Classes.

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Message 285 of 358 (647769)
01-11-2012 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Dawn Bertot
01-11-2012 8:07 AM


Re: Dont throw that rock yet
There is evidence of natural causes.
So far you have never presented any evidence of non-natural causes.
Until you present evidence of non-natural causes you have nothing that is science.
It really is that simple.

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Message 293 of 358 (647779)
01-11-2012 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Dawn Bertot
01-11-2012 8:41 AM


Re: Rock drops on foot
Dawn writes:
Neither can be proved,but both are valid as scientific explanations and are demonstratable
Until you can present evidence of a non-natural cause you have nothing to demonstrate and so nothing that can be taught.
It really is that simple.

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Message 318 of 358 (647986)
01-12-2012 1:08 PM


Summary
It's always good to see someone who "used to be a YEC" or "used to be a Creationist" or "Used to support Intelligent Design" but has learned that all of those are simply fantasies built on misrepresentations and unfortunately, all too often just plain lies.
What I do hate is that such an awakening also often leads to a person abandoning Christianity once they realize that what they were indoctrinated into under the label "Christianity" is as false as YEC or Creationism or ID.
That is a shame (although I admit is is far better to abandon the Christianity being marketed than to try to maintain it) since not all of Christianity is part of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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jar
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Message 347 of 358 (648517)
01-16-2012 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by Dawn Bertot
01-15-2012 10:53 PM


Where is the evidence of a non-natural cause Dawn?
Hey, he got one right. Of course you dont falsify a conclusion, thats why the end hypothesis of the ToE, is Soley Narual causes. If it were a conclusion you would be able to demonstrate it. Becuase you cant, yet by obligation you maintain it as a part of the ToE. You cant just disclaim any responsibility from this conclusion and hope no one will notice
Apearently Coyote, thinks you can falsify it. Lets see what you have. I would love to see how you intended to falsify the end hypothesis of the ToE, which is Soley Natural causes.
Yet more misrepresentation from Dawn Bertot as expected.
First, the Theory of Evolution does have an end hypotheses.
If it did, it would not be "solely by natural causes" as you assert.
If it did include that assumption, then you could falsify it by presenting what folk have been asking you to produce for years, namely one single example of a non-natural cause.
What can be said and said as a conclusion is that no evidence of even a single non-natural cause has ever been found.

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jar
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Message 356 of 358 (648582)
01-16-2012 5:12 PM


Always better to be an ex-YEC than most anything else.
The whole idea of Young Earth has been so totally refuted for several hundred years at least that it takes someone who has decided to be willfully ignorant at best to believe in it and someone who is totally dishonest to try to market it.

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