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Hitch was a professional jerk. Well, they can be funny... as long as they're not too serious. He seemed pretty serious tho, in the militant fasion (which I have little respect for).
Interestingly, his off stage persona seems quite different. Got any links?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4084 Joined: Member Rating: 7.8 |
Well, they can be funny... as long as they're not too serious. He seemed pretty serious tho, in the militant fasion (which I have little respect for). I found some of his arguments to be persuasive, and his internal immunity to the concept of "taboo" allowed him to criticize things that had not even occurred to me to examine, like Mother Theresa. In her case I just heard all the good press, and never bothered to examine further, which led to a rather biased perspective on my part. I appreciate the ability of people like Hitchens and others like him to draw my attention to subjects I haven;t really thought to examine thoroughly, where I've made an opinion based on incomplete information. It's the subjects that we recoil at even the mention of criticizing that usually need critical examination the most. But he certainly wasn't a saint. I'll miss some of his writing, and I don't wish cancer or death on just about anybody, but he did wish death on a large group of people solely for their religious convictions. Just because a subset of that group are nigh-genocidal doesn't justify a similar position in reverse. His positions on Islam and Iraq/Afghanistan make him much worse than a jerk, honestly.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
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jar Member (Idle past 162 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure, look at some of the material available from Larry Taunton.
Larry Taunton remembers his friendAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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AdminModulous Administrator (Idle past 307 days) Posts: 897 Joined: |
The correct response to being insulted or disrespected by another member is to alert the moderators. The incorrect response is to disrespect or insult back.
As a result, and as I previously promised in Message 164 you can take 96 hours off. Again, if you persist in insulting other members upon your return you can subsequently take a week off.
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AdminModulous Administrator (Idle past 307 days) Posts: 897 Joined: |
Artemis at least achieved notifying the Admins to this comment. I don't think calling someone puerile is a problem, but 'puerile dickhead' is not the tone we are aiming for at this forum.
So take a 24 hour break.
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GDR Member Posts: 6223 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: |
A moving testimony by his brother.
Pater Hitchens
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
I read Larry Tauntons account of his friendship with Christopher Hitchens and am amazed at the recollections. Maybe you are right, jar. They may well have even better than Johnny Walker Black Label up there for him!
![]() Christopher Hitchens and Larry Taunton Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : added video link
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subbie Member (Idle past 1577 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
I must say, you did an admirable job of proving you're not puerile.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4745 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined:
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Hey Chuck,
Can you provide any messages that show athiests making direct derogatory statements about Jesus? Most of us do not have any reason to believe that the man actually existed so it would be a waste of our time to call him names. You suggest that we mock Jesus all day long so it should not be hard to come up with statements that equal these -
He was a filthy piece of garbage and a piece of dung.
Dawn Bertot in Message 38 speaking of puerile dickheads, did you hear that Hitch died? Artemis Entreri in Message 103 the guy was a troll. I am glad he is dead, fuck him. Artemis Entreri in Message 113 Also, keep three things in mind with regards to any statements that you do find where athiests directly abuse towards Jesus or God. 1. Jesus is likley a mythical figure who died over 2000 years ago. I would have thought that a 2000 year mourning period would be enough. 2. Jesus was only dead for 72 hours so we are not mocking a dead man. We would be mocking a man who has sat in paridise for 2000 years and can expect to remain there for all eternity. I would think that a few course statements would not trouble him. 3. God is a god. Do you not think that God would be thick skinned enough to take it? Or is your god so fucking weak that he needs you, and the other mere mortals to stand up for him? I really dont have a problem with anyone saying negative things about Hitch. I have no doubt that he would not have a problem with it with it either. What I do have issue with is people leaving derogatory posts about a man for the simple fact that he said bad things about their religion. You, AE, DB etc so far have not posted anything of substance as yet. You dont have any response to anything he actually said, you just dont like him because he said nything at all. I believe that your position is weak and deserves to be questioned. All of the posts have been argumentum ad hominem. Do any of you have something to say about his arguements or can you just attack the man?I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson 2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4745 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
DB,
His arguments were 101 stuff. They put me to sleep I have posted several of his videos here. Care to respond?I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson 2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award
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Itinerant Lurker Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 406 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I have posted several of his videos here. Care to respond? Could you just give the readers digest version in argument form, I presently dont have speaker for computer
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4745 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined:
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Hello Dawn Bertot,
it is a bit difficult to give a readers digest version of his debates. Some transscripts run into tens of thousands of words. But here are some short quotes, take your pick...
quote: I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson 2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 406 days) Posts: 3571 Joined:
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Butterfly writes
Hello Dawn Bertot, it is a bit difficult to give a readers digest version of his debates. Some transscripts run into tens of thousands of words. But here are some short quotes, take your pick... Ok Butterfly quotes Christopher HitchensName one moral statement made or moral action performed by a believer that could nopt be performed by an unbeliever, and name one immoral statement made or immoral action performed that could only be performed by a believer. Well thats easy. Since the unbeliever has no absolute standard of what moral is or is not and involves himself in a logical contradiction by claiming anything as immoral, as he follows a survival of the fittest standard, the believer can perform not only one thing the unbeliver cannot, but the only thing that matters, objectivity in a moral standard without fear of blatant contradiction Is this the best the Journalist had? Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well thats easy. Since the unbeliever has no absolute standard of what moral is or is not and involves himself in a logical contradiction by claiming anything as immoral, as he follows a survival of the fittest standard, the believer can perform not only one thing the unbeliver cannot, but the only thing that matters, objectivity in a moral standard without fear of blatant contradiction This is, of course, nonsense --- in the most literal sense, i.e. it consists of words combined in such a way that the resulting phrases have no meaning.
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