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Author Topic:   Hyperbole in the Bible
NoNukes
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Message 108 of 124 (640798)
11-13-2011 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by purpledawn
11-13-2011 5:44 AM


Re: Exaggeration vs hyperbole
purpledawn writes:
I'm just covering what I see as the funamenital nature of the beast.) the difference is that the exaggeration used in an exaggeration is not beyond possibility, but in hyperbole it is beyond possibility.
Nonsense. Your research was a complete waste of time. I don't want to know the details. You may have found some buffoon who had that stuff on his web site, but you might as well have been reading about General Relativity on Conservapedia.
Would it not be hyperbole if I said that "I was hungry enough to eat a live frog?" Is that feat impossible or merely so ridiculously improbable and difficult to believe, that few would take it literally?
From Hyperbole in English: A Corpus-based Study of Exaggeration By Claudia Claridge (Emphasis and typos added by me)
quote:
Hyperboles involving extremes are the most obvious to recognise (often without or with only minimal context) and perhaps the most frequent, but hyperbole can use any part of the scale in order to express something bigger, more, etc., than is the case,as long as the contrast between what is and the stated point is significant, i.e., large enough... It is impossible to fix a general lower limit for hyperbole
I'll admit that I didn't read much of Bailey's post, and it is possible that I missed some sarcasm. If so, I apologize in advance for being an osmium head.

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NoNukes
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Message 110 of 124 (640812)
11-13-2011 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Jon
11-13-2011 11:50 AM


Re: Still Clueless
Or to put it another way, if I had no idea what figurative language was, your 'method' wouldn't help me understand it in any way whatsoever.
Just because the method can often be applied by inspection does not mean that were using Justice Stewart's "I know it when I" see it standard. But yes, actually seeing the language is part of the method, but so is a bit of analysis.
Figurative language is merely language that is not intended to be taken literally. I described two methods for identifying figurative language. 1) Comparing the literal meaning of the words with the context. 2) Identifying idioms commonly in use by the writers. You may or may not be able to perform those two steps by mere inspection.
My proposition is that using those two methods catches the vast majority of literary devices used in the Bible. There will be some false negatives and false positives, but the method is fairly reliable, which is all that I promised.

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NoNukes
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Message 112 of 124 (640818)
11-13-2011 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by purpledawn
11-13-2011 1:38 PM


Re: Exaggeration vs hyperbole
Whether it is an exaggeration or not would probably depend on the audience.
Wrong. Whether or not eating a live frog is understood to be an exaggeration depends on the audience. But whether or not the speaker was exaggerating depends only on the speaker's intent. For some audiences it may be necessary to use a particular inedible/venomous species of frog.
Is the distinction between hypebole and exaggeration really all that important?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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NoNukes
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Message 119 of 124 (647588)
01-10-2012 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by purpledawn
01-10-2012 10:49 AM


Re: How to Understand Literary Devices
quote:
Metaphor may also be used for any rhetorical figures of speech that achieve their effects via association, comparison or resemblance. In this broader sense, antithesis, hyperbole, metonymy and simile would all be considered types of metaphor.
I have to take a nit picking issue with the above statement. Simile is defined in a way that it is completely distinct in form from metaphor. I have no problem with using metaphor in the broader sense used here, but when we do so, we should be aware that using this broader definition to refute earlier arguments that metaphor, exaggeration, and hyperbole are all metaphors is equivocation.
Although I dislike apologetics..
Apologetics has a negative connotation only because of a fairly recent attempts to pass off creation science and intelligent design as real science. But every person who believes that a miracle as described in the Bible literally occurred must use apologetics when defending his belief.
Since the characters aren't surprised that the Amalekites are still around, I would say that hyperbole does come into play here for the first verse or they didn't take a good body count.
Or maybe the encounter involved some/most but not all of the Amelekites on earth. I don't see how we can apply your principle to this particular text until we rule out at least the most likely possibilities that the text is literal true.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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