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jar

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Message 91 of 95 (403010)
05-31-2007 11:47 AM

Reply to: Message 90 by Dr Adequate
05-31-2007 11:11 AM

Re: Columbus, Lewis And Clark

You are lying. Your reply was "That's right, every explorer knew where they were going before they left" --- something which I never said, and do not believe, and which I specifically pointed out was not true.

Generally, does an explorer know where he is going but not what he will find?

For example, Columbus definitely knew were he was going. He never reached the destination, but that has nothing to do with whether or not he knew where he was headed.

Louis & Clark knew where they were going, and in fact they had a specific charge stating where they were to go and what they were to do.

Journeys of Exploration almost always have a known charge, be it to find the headwaters of the Nile or the Moon, there is still a goal.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 92 of 95 (403201)
06-01-2007 10:31 AM

Reply to: Message 90 by Dr Adequate
05-31-2007 11:11 AM

Re: Columbus, Lewis And Clark

Let me know if you come up with one single shred of empirical evidence for him, as Columbus did for the existence of America.

So far there is no empirical evidence for Him.
IT will be subjective, even if He shows up in your bedroom tonight.

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Message 93 of 95 (640122)
11-07-2011 12:00 PM

Reply to: Message 76 by jar
05-29-2007 10:34 AM

People Don't Want To Know The Truth

jar writes:

The two questions remain:

How do you know it is God?
How do you know it is the Holy Spirit?

I never know for certain, though if the instructions are based on my ideas of morality, ethics, and altruism...I can guess.

Of course, I also ask myself...how do I know it isn't God.

I could then blame a devil. OR...I could accept responsibility for the inner unction.

If my inner unction tells me to give somebody money, I take full responsibility for losing (or giving away) that money.

You say that people need to accept responsibility for their decisions, actions, and choices. I agree...to a point. I will not accept responsibility for my fathers actions, nor those of his generation. I also will not continue to accept responsibility for past actions of my country. I will accept responsibility for what I and my generation are doing, even though it may mean that I lose everything.

Atheism is certainly one possible outlook and philosophy, though it is no more rational than my talking with my conscience.

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Message 94 of 95 (640338)
11-08-2011 7:30 PM

Reply to: Message 93 by Phat
11-07-2011 12:00 PM

Re: People Don't Want To Know The Truth

I never know for certain, though if the instructions are based on my ideas of morality, ethics, and altruism...I can guess.

So you look at the message itself? If it's the message itself that you are judging, why does it even matter who it comes from?

Of course, I also ask myself...how do I know it isn't God.

Confirmation bias.

Atheism is certainly one possible outlook and philosophy, though it is no more rational than my talking with my conscience.

Of course it isn't; as far as atheists are concerned, if you are talking to someone that isn't there, you could only be talking to your conscience.

Jon

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Rrhain

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Message 95 of 95 (640370)
11-09-2011 12:48 AM

Reply to: Message 92 by riVeRraT
06-01-2007 10:31 AM

riVeRraT writes:

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So far there is no empirical evidence for Him.
IT will be subjective, even if He shows up in your bedroom tonight.

Not if he's recorded. Not if he decides to stick around.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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