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JustinC

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Message 6 of 117 (63609)
10-31-2003 9:25 AM

Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Jack
10-31-2003 9:06 AM

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To be fair to Mike, most Physicists would agree that the universe does seem to be tuned for life

Apparently, since life exists. Isn't it also tuned to produce giant gaseous planets, nebula, atoms, oceans, etc. (Sorry for poor examples, imagination doesn't work well in the morning)

Isn't that just like saying, "The universe it tuned in such a way to make everything that exists exist"? Seems like tautology, and I don't think any important point can be made from it.

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JustinC

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Message 36 of 117 (63784)
11-01-2003 8:16 AM

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11-01-2003 2:03 AM

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those special conditions, in turn, require an explanation

I didn't say they don't require an explanation. I'm saying you cannot jump to any "why" conclusions (i.e. ID) because things are the way they are.

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Message 55 of 117 (63826)
11-01-2003 4:44 PM

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Besides, if the constants of nature had to take on only those values that are compatible with life, then some would argue that to be an even greater "predestined coincidence" and a stronger argument for design

What would be an argument against design? If the universe were different, it would produce different things. It would be fine tuned for those things. Would that require design?

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Message 63 of 117 (63977)
11-02-2003 3:15 PM

Out of curiousity, what would be an argument against design?

If the universe were different, it would produce different things. It would be fine tuned for those things. Would that require design? Why or why not?

JustinC

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