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Templeton Foundation (a pro-theistic organisation) did a blue ribbon standard, peer reviewed study into the efficacy of prayer after a number of previous studies in the field were accused of methodological weaknesses. The results of this study were negative.
Templeton Foundation Post Research Press Release and Associated Links
Chuck writes:
Science deals with the natural and CANNOT rule out the influence from the SN no matter how they or you spin it.
I suggest you go back and read Mod's opening post.
Mod in the OP writes:
The thing is, science investigates what can detected. It doesn't care whether the thing being detected is metaphysically natural or metaphysically supernatural. Science is a methodology for investigations.
So can you explain why exactly you think we cannot scientifically investigate supernatural claims?
Chuck writes:
When something IS explained science claims it as explained therefore natural causes, the whole nine yards. Saying nothing about it's origins or how it even originated or came into existance.
Chuck writes:
Without a means to test for the supernatural how can the supernatural be refuted or dismissed simply by explaining how some natural phenomena work?
Once we figure out how lightning works it has nothing to do with whether Thor is the one throwing those boltz or not. It only explains what happens after Thor lets go of the bolt.
Because there are scientific explanations to something only shows IMO that God (or Thor) designed it to work that way.
Given that we know the cause of thunder and are even able to predict where and when it will occur with some accuracy are you really saying that Thor cannot be discounted?
Really?
Wiki on thunderstorms writes:
Thunderstorms had a lasting and powerful influence on early civilizations. Greeks thought them to be battles waged by Zeus, who hurled lightning bolts forged by Hephaestus. Thunderstorms were associated with the Thunderbirds, held by Native Americans to be a servant of the Great Spirit.[90] The Norse considered thunderstorms to occur when Thor went to beat on Jtnar, with the thunder and lightning being the effect of his strikes with the hammer Mjlnir. Christian doctrine accepted the ideas of Aristotle's original work, called Meteorologica, that winds were caused by exhalations from the Earth and that fierce storms were the work of God. These ideas were still within the mainstream as late as the 18th century.
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Get with the times Chuck. That's my advice.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.