Studying the supernatural

How can we confirm the existence of that which defies study.
Science deals with objective truths. If something is inmaterial how can it be examined? If something is not composed of matter how can it be studied? Yes psycology and social sciences can study ideas and such, but I am speaking about ghost and spirits.
There has not been one single shred of physical evidence to suggest such things exist that has not been debunked as clap trap. Dr. Randi even has a standing one million dollar offer for anyone who can produce such evidence.

Yes..and have you heard of dreaming? You experience your dreams do you not? OKthen. I agree. Yes, it seems there are those among us that are privy to experiencing the supernatural. Just watch the show Ghost Hunters. roflmao Blink....did you just say "know" Blink...really...you did, didnt you you said the K word.

Staggler, I really do not know that I believe they are in fact detecting the supernatural. And neither do you for that matter.However.....there are those who say big foot exist somewhere in the woods of North America. Is Big Foot supernatural?There are those who say Aliens are making anal probes on human specimens. Are Aliens supernatural?And of course those who say ghost exist, are ghost supernatural?We defined a zillion times on this board what we all say is supernatural. We all agree that a the supernatural is that which exist outside of the laws of this natural universe. Which imo means it does not exist. If ghost exist they are natural imo. We just as of yet do not have a way of explaining them that coincides with what we know up to this point. Or its bull shit. Take your pick.

Hello Zen Deist, No, because God as I understand him to be described exist OUTSIDE and prevades the universe, in addition to being part of the universe. This would therefore make such a God supernatural.In Catholic dogma, God is not only a intrinsic part of the universe but is also separate from it. The universe and all that exist derives it's existence or being from him/it.Reverse "God of the Gaps" to say we cant explain the supernatural yet, but once more comes to light perhaps we can.
Like thunder was attributed to Thor and now has a scientific explanation. Yes, if some scientist tomorrow provided scientific evidence to explain ghost, I would no longer call them supernatural.

Your right, and neither does our current models of cosmology.
I wont be surprised if CERN discovers a substance called AETHER in the near future.

Roughly 95 percent of the stuff that makes up our universe is unexplained and inexplicable as of yet.It seems we are living in a age of discovery. Just a week ago the speed limit of the universe it seems has been violated.I bet Mr. Clarke is right:"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.

Humanity is still sitting in Plato's cave poking at shadows.
It is confounding that as much as our scientist are discovering it is causing a cascade of other ever more perplexing questions. How did the universe inflate? did it? Dark Matter/energy, gravatons, Higgs,entanglement, on and on science strips the layers off reality to reveal a even more bizzare foundation. It is almost as if the very properties that make up our reality are elusive because there is no final orgin. No ultimate reality to grasp. like a fractal it is a ever replicating pattern of increasing perplexity. Werner Heisenberg I once read, after experiments confirmed what he called "the uncertainty principal." Walked around in the middle of the night muttering, "reality can not possibly be this strange."
What if reality ends up being a 1st person reality game for super intelligent beings. If this is the case how would we ever be able to know.

Quantum foam. There is a story about how one day David Hume was going into a pub and saw a guy sweeping the steps. They got into a discussion about the chaps broom and how wonderful it was that it always did such a great job. The chap explained that he was always replacing the head of the broom and he loved his broom. To which Hume stated that it was not the same broom if he replaced the head. The man then went on to discuss how he also replaced the shaft of the broom the previous year. And yet it was his beloved broom just the same.How unlike this mans broom is anything that exist? What is the same? There is nothing new under the sun we just recycle and reintergrate the materials. Some of the radio active isotopes from Hiroshima reside in us all.

How do you know that in some other parallel universe Harold Campings predictions were correct?

I am not sure. Of course statistically a prophet can be right just out of mere coincidence. ESP is regarded somewhat as supernatural. So if somehow it could be verified scientifically then yes Im sure you would agree that some supernatural claims can be scientifically examined. To date nothing has been shown to be supernatural as there are either naturalist explainations or out right debunked.
That does not imo mean SOMETHING outside of our abilities to verify is NOT taking place.

I'm good with that. Indeed. Or believe.

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