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Nuggin
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Message 31 of 200 (635399)
09-29-2011 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Taz
09-28-2011 11:38 PM


To be fair, they are not the only group who vote against their own interest. Another group that behaves somewhat like this is the hispanic community. They have a pretty good record of voting republican even though the republican party hates them. Why? Because I guess the hispanics are more anti-gay than they are pro-immigration rights.
Actually a large section of the hispanic community (the voters) are extremely conservative about immigration.
Those hispanics who went through legally, or were born to parents who went through legally, really hate the illegals.

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hooah212002
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Message 32 of 200 (635402)
09-29-2011 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 2:06 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
The child of a coal miner has the same right to healthcare as the child of a stock broker.
Blaming the child for being born to coal miners is ridiculous.
If the coal miner worked a little harder, he could become the stock broker.
He just doesn't work hard enough.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Nuggin
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Message 33 of 200 (635453)
09-29-2011 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by hooah212002
09-29-2011 2:48 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
If the coal miner worked a little harder, he could become the stock broker.
He just doesn't work hard enough.
Aside from not being true, it's also irrelevant.
Whether or not the coal miner lived up to his potential is an issue that HE needs to deal with.
The American Citizen offspring of that coal miner is not "irresponsible" for having been born to poor parents.
You might as well execute all offspring of a murderer because "he should have known better".

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hooah212002
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Message 34 of 200 (635454)
09-29-2011 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 10:19 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
The American Citizen offspring of that coal miner is not "irresponsible" for having been born to poor parents.
"I'm rich, why aren't you?"
I never said blame anyone. That family just needs to work harder. But why should I care about them? I have my millions, they should get their millions from THEIR hard work. What's so hard about that?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 35 of 200 (635464)
09-29-2011 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 2:06 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
You are saying that an American Citizen's rights should be determined by the whether or not some other American Citizen was responsible or not.
non sequitur

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NoNukes
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Message 36 of 200 (635465)
09-29-2011 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 2:08 AM


Those hispanics who went through legally, or were born to parents who went through legally, really hate the illegals.
Some of them do, but by and large it does not seem to be the case that legal Hispanics hate illegals. Generally speaking, other than blocs of Cubans, Hispanic voters are very wary of Republicans despite any conservative leanings they might have on some issues. Republicans consider getting 35% of the Hispanic vote to be doing very well.
All Hispanics voters are here legally, and are in fact U.S. citizens by any definition.

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Nuggin
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Message 37 of 200 (635470)
09-29-2011 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by hooah212002
09-29-2011 10:22 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
I never said blame anyone. That family just needs to work harder. But why should I care about them? I have my millions, they should get their millions from THEIR hard work. What's so hard about that?
Again, you are saying that a 5yr old child doesn't deserve healthcare because it doesn't have the same level of work experience that you have and doesn't earn the same salary.
How much harder can a 5 year old work?

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Nuggin
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Message 38 of 200 (635471)
09-29-2011 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
09-29-2011 11:51 AM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
non sequitur
Here's a tip: Don't use a term if you don't know what it means. I makes you sound like an idiot.

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Nuggin
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Message 39 of 200 (635472)
09-29-2011 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by NoNukes
09-29-2011 11:53 AM


All Hispanics voters are here legally, and are in fact U.S. citizens by any definition.
Yes, and issues of immigration are typically issues involving illegal immigration.
So, you have legal hispanics voting about illegal hispanics.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 40 of 200 (635474)
09-29-2011 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 12:13 PM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
Thanks for the tip, but I do know what it means.
What you said I was saying didn't follow from what I actually said.
Here's a tip: Spinning people's position into different ones so that you can ridicule them makes you look like an asshole.

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Aware Wolf
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Message 41 of 200 (635478)
09-29-2011 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by New Cat's Eye
09-28-2011 10:31 PM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
you seem to have caved early to avoid dispute
Eh, that may be a fair criticism. I did want to avoid arguing the morality of the Tea Party's philosophy with someone (Crash) with whom I more or less agree, so I ducked out when the ducking was good.
My only point originally was that Nuggin's language in message 5:
- The same Tea Party is cheering the death of an uninsured man at the debates.
did not fairly capture the Tea Party's position. That doesn't mean that I agree with what (I think) the Tea Party's actual position is.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 42 of 200 (635479)
09-29-2011 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Aware Wolf
09-29-2011 12:45 PM


My only point originally was that Nuggin's language in message 5:
- The same Tea Party is cheering the death of an uninsured man at the debates.
did not fairly capture the Tea Party's position.
And I agree with you and think you were explaining it well... until crash spun you just a little bit and then you immediately fell over
But you shouldn't even bother with Nuggin's phraseology, he does everything he can to villify his opponents (so much that it comes off as trolling to me); so don't waste your time**.
That doesn't mean that I agree with what (I think) the Tea Party's actual position is.
Of course not.

**ABE
You can see what I mean in Message 45
quote:
you attacking innocent children
quote:
You want a 5 year old child to get sick and die because his father didn't get a good enough job.
quote:
Don't be a fucking pansy and back track now. Own it or disown it.
Pretending you didn't just make the argument just makes you look like a fucking retard.
He can't be serious, can he? Anybody in their right mind can see that I wasn't attacking children... er maybe that's it, maybe he's just crazy. And what with all the foam I'm imagining comming out of his mouth, dontcha just picture him like you would Dennis Markuze?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see abe

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Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2493 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 43 of 200 (635480)
09-29-2011 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by New Cat's Eye
09-29-2011 12:20 PM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
Thanks for the tip, but I do know what it means.
What you said I was saying didn't follow from what I actually said.
You were implying that the children who are American citizens should not receive healthcare if their parents didn't live up to your standard of being "personally responsible".
It's not a non sequitor to call you out on that bullshit.
You don't punish a 5 year old for something his parents do or don't do.
Here's a tip: Spinning people's position into different ones so that you can ridicule them makes you look like an asshole.
Here's a tip: You're an asshole. You are attacking children. I don't have to spin shit.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 44 of 200 (635481)
09-29-2011 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Nuggin
09-29-2011 12:58 PM


Re: Tea Party vs Christian Coalition
You were implying that the children who are American citizens should not receive healthcare if their parents didn't live up to your standard of being "personally responsible".
Nope, sure wasn't.
Here's a tip: You're an asshole.
You should be suspended for that.

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Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2493 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 45 of 200 (635482)
09-29-2011 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by New Cat's Eye
09-29-2011 12:54 PM


But you shouldn't even bother with Nuggin's phraseology, he does everything he can to villify his opponents
Yes, because you attacking innocent children really requires a whole lot of work for me to vilify you.
Give me a break.
Time to grow a fucking nutsack and own up to your position.
You want a 5 year old child to get sick and die because his father didn't get a good enough job.
It's YOUR argument. Don't be a fucking pansy and back track now. Own it or disown it.
Pretending you didn't just make the argument just makes you look like a fucking retard.

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