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Author Topic:   Historical Evidence Confirming the New Testament Accounts of Jesus
Portillo
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Message 1 of 8 (634084)
09-19-2011 2:54 AM


Can any of these points be proven by biblical, nonbiblical or secular sources? Are there any other evidences?
1. That Jesus died by crucifixion
2. He was buried
3. His death caused the disciples to despair
4. The tomb was empty
5. The disciples had experiences which they believed was the appearances of a risen Jesus
6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to proclaimers
7. The resurrection was their central message
8. They preached the message of Jesus' resurrection in Jerusalem
9. The church was born and grew
10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Jesus made Sunday their primary day of worship
11. James was converted when he saw the resurrected Jesus
12. Paul was converted
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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 2 of 8 (634093)
09-19-2011 6:45 AM
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09-19-2011 2:54 AM


Needs Clairification
Reliable for what?
The way you have worded your OP it would fall under the Accuracy and Inerrancy Forum, which is on the science side. This means you need more than just faith and belief to support your position.
Are you planning to prove that your list of facts are indeed facts outside of a religious setting? If yes, then I think you need to provide some of that evidence for those items (at least a few) or at least support that some secular scholars actual do agree that they are facts.
This is a rather broad attempt and I don't think we want it to turn into another Historical Jesus thread.
Reconstructing the Historical Jesus
The Existence of Jesus Christ
Thanks
AdminPD

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Portillo
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Message 3 of 8 (634243)
09-20-2011 6:15 AM
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09-19-2011 6:45 AM


Re: Needs Clairification
Both those threads are closed so where can I post?
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And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 4 of 8 (634245)
09-20-2011 6:35 AM
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09-20-2011 6:15 AM


Re: Needs Clairification
I know they are closed. Those were examples of threads that focused on whether Jesus was a real historical figure or not. From the way your thread was worded I assume you don't want it to be about whether Jesus is a historical figure or not. If you do, then you need a major rewrite on your OP.
I still need clarification on what you are trying to debate.

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Portillo
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Message 5 of 8 (634380)
09-21-2011 6:34 AM
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09-20-2011 6:35 AM


Re: Needs Clairification
Basically I was trying to discuss the resurrection, the reliability of the New Testament as a historical document and sources for Jesus outside the New Testament.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 6 of 8 (634393)
09-21-2011 8:14 AM
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09-21-2011 6:34 AM


Re: Needs Clairification
I agree with AdminPD that this seems most appropriate for the The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy forum. The resurrection, the historicity of the NT, and non-Biblical evidence of Jesus are three separate topics each deserving of their own threads. Could you pick just one and write a thread proposal with that as your central focus?

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Portillo
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Message 7 of 8 (634784)
09-23-2011 11:28 PM
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09-21-2011 8:14 AM


Re: Needs Clairification
If the thread is promoted, I would like to try to go through the various points with everyone who is interested and see what we can come up with. I dont think this is a thread for people who dont believe Jesus existed but for those that believe that Jesus existed and that his death and crucifixion are historical events.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Message 8 of 8 (634801)
09-24-2011 4:54 AM
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09-23-2011 11:28 PM


Re: Needs Clairification
So you'd like the thread to be about the historicity of Jesus? If so then I suggest a change of title, maybe "Historical Evidence Confirming the New Testament Accounts of Jesus". You can change the title by editing Message 1.

--Percy
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