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Dr Adequate
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Message 271 of 533 (632249)
09-06-2011 3:55 PM


I don't know about this suggestion --- it's either really easy, or completely impossible. But I was wondering whether old img hotlinks where the link doesn't work any more could be signaled with a default image saying "image missing" or something like that. As it is, reading old posts can sometimes be confusing because the text of the post just carries on as though nothing was ever there at all.
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Message 272 of 533 (633016)
09-12-2011 12:27 AM


Something really strange happened to my reply to RAZD at Message 96. I am seeing my post look as if it is enclosed within the RAZD post. That looks like a bug to me.
firefox 6.0.2 on opensuse-11.4.

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Message 273 of 533 (633070)
09-12-2011 9:53 AM
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Fixed - thanks for letting me know!

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Message 274 of 533 (633082)
09-12-2011 10:42 AM
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Hi nwr,
Something really strange happened to my reply to RAZD at Message 96. I am seeing my post look as if it is enclosed within the RAZD post. That looks like a bug to me.
Yep, saw that too. Fixed it by editing the complete the table coding that I had used at the end, I had inadvertently forgot\omitted the codes (it was waaay late for me)
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Message 275 of 533 (633087)
09-12-2011 11:17 AM
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I had inadvertently forgot\omitted the codes
Yes, I guessed that it was probably something like that. However, forum software needs to be robust enough to handle user error.

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Message 276 of 533 (633093)
09-12-2011 11:39 AM
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nwr writes:
However, forum software needs to be robust enough to handle user error.
That's a bit challenging in this case. Are there any boards out there that allow HTML in messages and also detect missing close tags?
The easy solution is to disallow HTML in messages, but I think there's at least a few people here who do take advantage of HTML.
EvC Forum does have the [table] dBCode, it's covered in the dBCode Doc Page. Screwups with dBCodes have no effect on displaying message threads.

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Message 277 of 533 (633097)
09-12-2011 12:28 PM
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That's a bit challenging in this case.
I was just commenting on the ideal. What is actually achievable is a different question.
Are there any boards out there that allow HTML in messages and also detect missing close tags?
Possibly dslreports. What I think they do, is treat html as a kind of dbcode. That is, they munge the code that users give, and create their own internal html to achieve what the user presumably wanted.
As far as I can tell, most forums either completely disallow html, or severely restrict what is allowed.

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Message 278 of 533 (633233)
09-13-2011 9:08 AM
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nwr writes:
Are there any boards out there that allow HTML in messages and also detect missing close tags?
Possibly dslreports. What I think they do, is treat html as a kind of dbcode. That is, they munge the code that users give, and create their own internal html to achieve what the user presumably wanted.
It does seem like something that few boards would tackle. It's challenging to implement. I do have an HTML parser that removes disallowed HTML tags and attributes from messages, which is relatively straightforward, but detecting just certain forms of bad HTML and determining the proper correction is more difficult. I could do it, but I'm not sure it's the best investment of my time right now. I'll put this on the todo list.
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Message 279 of 533 (633262)
09-13-2011 10:52 AM
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Hi Percy
I'll try the db table codes next time.
I do have an HTML parser that removes disallowed HTML tags and attributes from messages, which is relatively straightforward, but detecting just certain forms of bad HTML and determining the proper correction is more difficult.
Yeah, I noticed that the mock html code I had in a post was stripped out. I'll use html symbol codes for < and > in the future.
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Message 280 of 533 (633264)
09-13-2011 11:13 AM
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RAZD writes:
I'll try the db table codes next time.
The table dBCodes have the additional advantage that extraneous line breaks are ignored. The problem with the <table> tags is that if in a message you say something like this:
<table>
<tr>
<td>
Column 1
<td>
Column 2
</table>
All the line breaks become real line breaks, and browsers put all these line breaks in a single spot at the beginning of the table. In a long table that results in a large vertical blank space just above your table, like this:




Column 1

Column 2
If you do the same thing with table dBCodes like this:
[table]
[row]
[col]
Column 1
[col]
Column 2
[/table]
Then it will not have all that extra vertical space:
Column 1 Column 2
You can include HTML code in your message by using the [html] dBCode. Click on Peek to see how the above HTML was included in this message.
Edited by Admin, : Rerender for row dBCode bug fix.

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Message 281 of 533 (633275)
09-13-2011 12:30 PM
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09-13-2011 11:13 AM


Hi Percy,
I agree -- the db codes are also more intuitive imho
All the line breaks become real line breaks, ...
As opposed to how it looks on a webpage that only shows breaks when specified by
or

(and where you can ignore

unless it involve formating).
,,, and browsers put all these line breaks in a single spot at the beginning of the table. In a long table that results in a large vertical blank space just above your table, like this:




Column 1

Column 2
Yes, but I found that if you take out the line breaks that don't affect the cell contents, like this:
Column 1
Column 2
... that it comes out
Column 1
Column 2
This is still bulkier than the db code, with more margin for error.
If you do the same thing with table dBCodes like this:
[table]
[row]
[col]
Column 1
[col]
Column 2
[/table]
Then it will not have all that extra vertical space:
Column 1 Column 2
Not all of them -- there is still one extra line there. The easy one to remove is the break before [row and the [col];
[table]
[row][col]
Column 1
[col]
Column 2
[/table]
Then it will not have all that second extra vertical space:
Column 1 Column 2
And you can still make it more compact in the reply\peek windows with
[table]
[row][col]Column 1
[col]Column 2
[/table]
Column 1 Column 2
and with multiple rows
[table]
[row][col]R1C1
[col]R1C2
[row][col]R2C1
[col]R2C2
[/table]
R1C1 R1C2
R2C1 R2C2
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : ]
Edited by RAZD, : making it show properly

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Message 282 of 533 (633287)
09-13-2011 1:06 PM
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RAZD writes:
Not all of them -- there is still one extra line there.
That's a bug, I just fixed it.
You want a job testing?

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Message 283 of 533 (633351)
09-13-2011 5:51 PM
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Hi Percy
[table]
[row]
[col]R1C1
[col]R1C2
[row]
[col]R2C1
[col]R2C2
[/table]
R1C1 R1C2
R2C1 R2C2
Excellent
You want a job testing?
Sure, at double my current rate?
I'd be happy to help.
Enjoy.

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Message 284 of 533 (633368)
09-13-2011 6:45 PM
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RAZD writes:
Sure, at double my current rate?
I'd be happy to help.
Make it triple - you're hired!
Seriously, I do need help testing, sometimes quite a bit, and any help I get would be greatly appreciated. If you're okay with it I'll let you know when I release/change features needing testing (naturally they'll have been tested to some extent before release, but the coder often isn't the best tester of his own code), and you can let me know if you have the time/interest at the moment.

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Message 285 of 533 (633371)
09-13-2011 6:53 PM
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I would also be happy to help, way too much time on my hands.

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