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DBlevins
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Message 226 of 533 (628425)
08-09-2011 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by AZPaul3
08-08-2011 10:46 AM


Re: Citing Member Ratings
Isn't the member rating just a reflection of the quality of the sum of their posts?
I don't know how hard it would be to code but it could be neat to see member ratings bound to each forum. For example: the member rating would reflect the quality of postings on particular forums. If a member posted in the "creation" forum, his member rating under his "name" would reflect the quality for the specific forum. The rating under his/her name would change depending on which forum the member posted on.
On a "biology" forum a members rating might be +50 but in a "bible" forum it might only be +20, and each specific rating would only show for that particular forum.

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AZPaul3
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Message 227 of 533 (628450)
08-09-2011 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by DBlevins
08-09-2011 1:21 PM


Re: Citing Member Ratings
Isn't the member rating just a reflection of the quality of the sum of their posts?
Ideally, it would be, but, for the most part, it is more a show of the community's agreement/disagreement with the point of view of the member, and for some the personal like/dislike of the member, regardless of the clarity, format, mechanics, logical construction and efficacy of their individual posts. More of a personality thing than a quality presentation thing.
This applies to the individual posts as well, of course, but on this smaller scale (rater/writer v community/member) the telling is not so much in the numbers of pluses/minuses but, for me, the who. I have respect for some members' views of my posts on certain subjects and couldn't care less about others. The cumulative result means nothing to me.
But, that's me. Others here find comfort/concern in the cumulative member rating as a reflection of their overall popular standing in the community. I think it was Buz who quipped that he becomes concerned that something is wrong when his rating gets above -50.
So, in my view, the cumulative is not a "post quality" thing at all. Just a popularity contest.

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fearandloathing
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Message 228 of 533 (628455)
08-09-2011 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by AZPaul3
08-09-2011 4:12 PM


Re: Citing Member Ratings
I have respect for some members' views of my posts on certain subjects and couldn't care less about others.
This is one reason I like that we can now see who doesn't like a post. I have wondered more than once who didn't like what I had to say, depending on who it was I may or may-not have asked them why. I expect people to disagree with me, knowing why people who I respect don't agree with me is a way to learn.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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DBlevins
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Message 229 of 533 (628457)
08-09-2011 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by AZPaul3
08-09-2011 4:12 PM


Re: Citing Member Ratings
I can only speak for myself but I've only rated posts I thought had particularly strong arguments, and for the vast majority of posts I don't rate them at all. Basically it is 5 or nothing for me.
I could be totally off my rocker thinking this, but I really think the majority of members here don't rate posts as negative just because they don't like the poster. It seems that even if someone gets a few bad ratings on an excellent post, the majority of "good" ratings would wash those bad ratings out.
I couldn't care less about the ratings myself. I see no indication that ratings have had an affect on whether posters cared about how strong their arguments are.

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AZPaul3
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Message 230 of 533 (628520)
08-10-2011 7:02 AM


Search Issue?
I found an interesting message title in Coffee House-Peanut Gallery Re: Superluminal molybdenum fins breach the ocean floor Message 1442.
Note the "Re:" indicating this is a response to a prior message with this title in the Peanut Gallery thread.
I went hunting for the original message and cannot find it. I did a " Search" on "Messages" for "Superluminal" and then "molybdenum" and came up with plenty but only 5 messages in the Peanut Gallery thread none of which is the original message with that title.
The Peanut Gallery thread is not all that old so I do not think the original "Superluminal molybdenum fins breach the ocean floor" message would have fallen over some horizon never to be seen again.
Is there some way for one to respond to a message in one thread from a completely different thread, title and all? Wouldn't think so.
Any ideas where the original message may be off to?
[edit]
OK. I'm a bit slow this early. Given the tone of the messages this is probably a hoaxed up message title. Xongsmith got me.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

  
New Cat's Eye
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Message 231 of 533 (628616)
08-11-2011 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Admin
08-05-2011 8:34 AM


'All Topics' - 'Contact Us' Button Positions
Hi Percy,
I've been out of the office the past few days. I was browsing the forums on my iPhone.
After scrolling through and getting to the bottom of some thread, I'll hit the "All Topics" button at the bottom of the page. Well, right next to that is the "Contact Us" button and occasionally I'd accidentally hit that one instead. This causes the mail client to open up and then pop up a draft of an email to you. Its really annoying. I think one time I accidentally hit the "Send" button instead of cancelling the message and ended up sending you a blank email that I didn't want to.
Anyways, consider putting those buttons apart from each other.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 232 of 533 (628845)
08-13-2011 12:14 PM


utube code issue
I'm trying to use the utube code you just made and when I hit preview its jumping right to the actual youtube page... so I can't submit, and when I hit the back button, it goes back to the preveiw and then jumps back forward to the youtube page again. I hit back twice and got to the pre-preview page.
ABE:
It does not look like embedding was dissallowed on that one. But that makes me wonder... could your utube code be a way around people who've disabled embedding?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

  
Shield
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Message 233 of 533 (628889)
08-13-2011 7:33 PM


EvC Forum: This just in, republicans have no problem with socialized medicine...
So admins give out minuses now...?
These member/message rating system never work...
Especially not on a forum as divided as this.
Edited by rbp, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 234 of 533 (628891)
08-13-2011 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Shield
08-13-2011 7:33 PM


From an administrative perspective, he *is* violating the forum rules:
quote:
5.Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
6.Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.
Just slapping copy-n-paste's around is pathetic.

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Theodoric
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Message 235 of 533 (628910)
08-13-2011 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by New Cat's Eye
08-13-2011 7:39 PM


Maybe you should read the rule.
quote:
5.Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided.
should be avoided.
I think at times providing information that shows a person is in error is very appropriate. I am simply showing that your simplistic idea of the term "socialized medicine" is incorrect. Do you want me to put in 2 paragraphs of bullshit so that your and AdminPD's sensibilities are not offended?
I know you have a hard on for me CS, but if you are going to continue to be wrong I am going to continue to correct you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 236 of 533 (628913)
08-13-2011 10:11 PM


Ya know...
...you can say whatever you like to each other in PM's and the moderators won't care and you won't be off-topic (yes, blocking people from sending you PM's is on the todo list).

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Shield
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Message 237 of 533 (628916)
08-13-2011 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Admin
08-13-2011 10:11 PM


Re: Ya know...
Oh so you want people to rage against each other via pm? That wont effect the forum?
Rating buttons starts fights. Especially when you can see who gave you plus or minus.

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Message 238 of 533 (628920)
08-14-2011 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Shield
08-13-2011 11:09 PM


Re: Ya know...
Rating buttons starts fights. Especially when you can see who gave you plus or minus.
Yes, that has been my experience with online forums.
Keep in mind that we are all guinea pigs in Percy's software research lab.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 239 of 533 (628925)
08-14-2011 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Shield
08-13-2011 11:09 PM


Re: Ya know...
rpb writes:
Oh so you want people to rage against each other via pm? That wont effect the forum?
Rating buttons starts fights. Especially when you can see who gave you plus or minus.
Your position is a bit like this analogy. I own a bar where I sell alcohol, and I've posted rules regarding acceptable behavior. A fight breaks out and I tell the combatants to take it out to the parking lot, which I also own. They object that since I sold them the alcohol and am therefore to blame for the dispute that I should allow them to settle it in the bar.
But there are other patrons in the bar, the fight would disrupt their good time and possibly cause damage and injury, so I inform the combatants that if they don't take it out to the parking lot I'll have to let the bouncer do his job.
You and Nwr and others are right that non-anonymous ratings can be another potential source of antagonism and controversy, and I am hearing the feedback, which I consider very valuable because it enables me to think through changes and improvements. I do feel I need the feature for competitive reasons, but I'm also not convinced that it is without any positive merits.
I should mention that the member ratings are changing. One change is definitely going to happen: the ratings scale will change back to 1 to 5, from the current -100 to 100 scale. The ratings equation will be the same, it will just be the values that be normalized into a 1 to 5 range.
The other change is not definite: I'm considering changing the ratings equation. I have some ideas that seem promising, but I haven't finished thinking them through yet.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Message 240 of 533 (629015)
08-15-2011 7:06 AM


Member Rating Changes
The member rating scale is now 1 to 10.
The member rating equation has changed significantly. It now reflects the average number of votes your messages receive, for those messages receiving votes. A "like" vote is +1, a "dislike" vote is -1. Another way of looking at it is that it measures how many of your messages draw multiple votes.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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