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Ohruhen
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Message 169 of 284 (627372)
08-02-2011 8:55 AM


Nuggin, you've stated that you feel you have been attacked for commenting about a group you're not a part of, but I haven't seen that, so if you could enlighten me that might help me understand you're opinion. Every other part of your argument has been handled (largely by Modulous) in a convincing and even handed manner. As an outside observer he has been less emotionally invested than yourself, who I would put in the "look at me" catagory (if I had to choose between the pair of you)

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Ohruhen
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Message 195 of 284 (627465)
08-02-2011 2:45 PM


If a straight person were to argue with you, would you fob them off as just another straight guy who wants attention? I still can't find where someone said that you can't have an opinion, so I'm left with believing you inferred something that was unintentional. I'm not going to ask you if this did happen, as that would be foolish for many reasons. I merely ask that you consider that it may have happened, and ask yourself how can a debate honestly continue if the integrity of a debator is in question. If you can't answer that last question, I can only conclude that everything you've written since was attention seeking.

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Ohruhen
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Message 206 of 284 (627484)
08-02-2011 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 3:01 PM


If a straight guy were to spend three days posting messages about how he didn't want attention, then HELL YES I WOULD.
Someone who didn't want attention wouldn't be posting.
Ok, so going against my gut I'm going to keep at this. Why have you extended this idea from the individual to the whole group (i.e. all bi-sexuals)? Also, responding seems to me to be the best way of having what you actually intended conveyed not only to you, but to all the other people reading. Isn't that why we're posting on a public forum and not a one-on-one chat?
This debate NEVER had integrity.
It was 4 DAYS of gay rape jokes before one or more of the gays decided that it was important to inform the "straight boy" that his opinion didn't count.
From there it was me pointing out that the self described bi guys wanted attention and them demanding that attention be paid.
You can claim it was me running the train off the rails, but I'm the one that WALKED AWAY when it was all about rape.
I made no such claim, I merely want to sort this mess out so this discussion regains it's intended integrity and we can discuss the matter without this disruption.
Edited by Ohruhen, : lost most of post somehow
Edited by Ohruhen, : remaking origional post

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Ohruhen
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Message 209 of 284 (627488)
08-02-2011 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 3:29 PM


Let's remove the word "Attention" and substitution the word "scream".
If someone stands in the middle of the street and screams: "I DON'T SCREAM" - clearly they are contradicting themselves.
If I say, "The problem with guys in plaid shirts is that they tend to scream", I'm over generalizing.
But then, if a plaid shirt wearing guy starts screaming "I DON'T SCREAM" over and over and over again, you really don't expect me to say "Wow, you're right. You don't scream."
You would be wrong to say it about ALL plaid shirt wearing guys.
[gs]This thread boils down to three things in my opinion:
#1) Who is gay?
- My point is and has been that "gay" is an umbrella term which included "bi", "lesbian", etc. The BIs on the thread have admitted that they are covered under "gay marriage" and "gay rights". So, they admit that "gay" applies to them.\[/qs\]
Others seem to have brought up honest attempts to explain how they see being gay and gay marrage as different things with different implications on people who may or may not fall under one or both of those terms. I tend to agree, gay marrage is a union between two men, so the nomer gay marrage works in regards to the act of the marrage itself. However, I don't see why ONLY gays, as defined by the concensus as those who are only interested in members of the same gender as they, are the only ones who would want a "gay marrage". It doesn't seem to be about attention seeking about attention seeking, but about making sure correct terminology is used.
Yet, in response to me, they object to being referred to as "gay".
So, it's a "nigger" situation. They get to call one another gay but no one else gets to.
Drastic oversimplification. The term Nigger is deemed offencive to some due the historical connertations it brings up for them (so some have told me, I see no rason not to believe them). I don't know why some have a problem with you're use of the term gay other than being deemed wrong by concensus, but that's for them to deside.

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