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Message 166 of 284 (627338)
08-02-2011 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 4:10 AM


For me it was just a beautiful example of a couple of gay boys desperate to claim they were anything but while simultaneously proving my point that "it's all about me" is the (so called) "bi" mantra.
To the rest of us, it was you being fucking insulting and biggoted, and we have all called you on it. Your use of language and insuations mark you a complete homophobe, nevermind biphobe, whatever you claim. And given that I'm as boringly straight as you can get, I can assure you that this is as far from "all about me" as you can get.

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Message 167 of 284 (627364)
08-02-2011 8:19 AM


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I'll begin moderating this thread now. From this point on I'll be suspending anyone who isn't taking a constructive and courteous approach to discussion.

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Message 168 of 284 (627366)
08-02-2011 8:21 AM
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08-02-2011 3:32 AM


special treatment
You guys have been bitching up a storm demanding all sorts of special treatment
What special treatment are we bitching up a storm demanding? Please be specific.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 169 of 284 (627372)
08-02-2011 8:55 AM


Nuggin, you've stated that you feel you have been attacked for commenting about a group you're not a part of, but I haven't seen that, so if you could enlighten me that might help me understand you're opinion. Every other part of your argument has been handled (largely by Modulous) in a convincing and even handed manner. As an outside observer he has been less emotionally invested than yourself, who I would put in the "look at me" catagory (if I had to choose between the pair of you)

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Message 170 of 284 (627391)
08-02-2011 10:55 AM
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08-02-2011 4:19 AM


I guess the thread got moved away from the coffee house.
Edited by Nuggin, : No reason given.

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Message 171 of 284 (627398)
08-02-2011 11:24 AM
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08-02-2011 8:55 AM


Go back to the start
Nuggin, you've stated that you feel you have been attacked for commenting about a group you're not a part of, but I haven't seen that, so if you could enlighten me that might help me understand you're opinion.
You should start at the start then.
Let me sum up.
I was making the point that straight people don't really believe in "gay recruitment". Someone who is actually straight can not honestly make the argument that all straights are just "one good argument away from turning gay". It's not a decision, therefore there's no argument to sway the non-decision.
The only people who really believe that argument are the self hating closeted homosexuals running the anti-gay movement.
Really, non-gay guys don't really care enough to run an entire political organization to ruin the life of gays. They may vote against gay marriage because of their personal prejudice but they aren't going to go out there and run an organization to "pray away the gay" or actively fight gay rights.
Anyway, at that point in the discussion a Conservative Christian summed up my position as "you are either gay, straight or *** (a word which means not telling the truth assuming it's still censored.)
(by the way, if it is still censored - fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck - still _not_ censored)
I copped to that position. At the root level of the argument, you can say those are the three positions. Straight. Gay. Pretending to be Straight.
So, Stranger poked me with "what about bi" tongue out smiley face.
I responded equally off the cuff with:
Bah! Bi guys are just gay guys who are too into themselves to limit the number of people who will give them attention
At which the Christian Conservative claimed that bi people prove that people are just one good argument away from "Having more gay sex".
My response was:
The key thing here being "more".
If someone is already having homosexual sex, they are homosexual. Bi-sexuals are homosexuals who also still have sex with women.
Straight guys are having no sex with guys. So, there's no talking them into having "more".
The Conservative Christian then said something to the effect of "there has to be a first time you try gay sex, isn't that getting recruited"
I responded:
How many straight guys are sitting around going, "Gee, I know I like girls. I'm only attracted to girls. I really don't want to look at other dude's dongs. I think I'm gonna try gay sex just to make sure I don't like it?"
Who thinks like that? Honestly?
He came back with "Answer the Question".
So, I realized there was no point carrying on the conversation. Clearly this was a Conservative Christian with some internal gay issues of his own. Maybe he got "talked into" gay sex or something. I don't know. I didn't care.
I answered "the Question" with "42".
Then I walked away from the thread.
Meanwhile the other 5 people on the thread were busy making jokes about gay subtext in commercials and "soft" vs "hard" gay rape, animal sex, etc etc etc.
Four days go by and then I get attacked:
Ew...there's nothing worse than straight boys trying to explain sex...except straight boys trying to pigeonhole people based on their own limited sexual experiences...
AND
Of course, women only exist for men so a woman who hasn't spent any considerable amount of time contemplating penises and doesn't want to try it "just for kicks" is a bitch.
The second attack still stands out as coming out of nowhere. Did I mention women at all?
Anyway, I respond that it's probably not in the best interest of the gay community to attack people who are supporting gay rights AGAINST people who are clearly against gay rights.
And then the sh1t storm began!
I got accused of nullification, bigotry, not supporting gay rights, and being afraid of bis.
Well, if I'm going to get sh1t thrown at me, I'm going to throw it back. Endlessly.

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Message 172 of 284 (627408)
08-02-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 11:24 AM


Re: Go back to the start
At which the Christian Conservative claimed that bi people prove that people are just one good argument away from "Having more gay sex".
And that is still true for some people. I've seen it happen.
He came back with "Answer the Question".
So, I realized there was no point carrying on the conversation.
That's when I realized you were just trolling. All anyone had to do was look at the other thread that I linked to, where this entire debate here would have better been placed, and where we'll find you posting these things:
quote:
I am straight. I have no interest in men whatsoever.
However, I do listen to the Savage Love podcast by sex advice columnist Dan Savage. Dan is gay.
He gets calls from all sexualities, and even just a few listens will clue you in that there is a WIDE range of sexuality out there.
It's not gay/straight. It's not gay/bi/straight.
It's a vast scope.
There's straight.
There's straight identified who go after one guy one time.
There's straight identified who are occasionally interested in d*#k so they hire transexuals - 99% of their clientelle are straight guys. Gay guys aren't interested in a woman with a penis.
There's straight identified who occasionally want to be on the receiving end.
There's bi identified who've only ever dated women.
There's bi identified who will only hook up with guys during three ways.
There's bi identified who split their time 50/50
There's gay identified who have a wife and kids.
There's gay identified who are occasionally interested in very manly women.
On and on and on...
Human sexuality is at best a gray scale.
quote:
and there's not-straight... We'll call that "Gay."
So there ya go... Straight and Gay.
* /me removes toungue from cheek
By those standards 75% of the women under 30 in American are "gay". Find me one who's NEVER kissed another girl?
quote:
No, its white (striaght) and not-white (gay). There's just a whole grey scale of gayness going on
So, you're either white (from England or Norway) or black (from Italy or Africa)
You're either tall (6'0" or above) or short (5'11" or below).
You're either rich ($100,000 or more) or poor ($99,999 or less).
You're either old (40 or more) or young (39 years 364 days or less).
You're either Christian (Greek Orthodox church) or Pagan (Roman Catholic, Methodist, Hindu, Jedi, etc)
The questions I was asking you to answer was why you totally flipped your position to the exact opposite. You since answered by explaining that you're just trolling here. But I already knew that, hence the "Busted".
I was making the point that straight people don't really believe in "gay recruitment".
As I explained in the other thread, I have had friends who were recruited into being lesbian and saw it happen first hand. I'm straight and I believe it happens so I know the point you're making is wrong.
Someone who is actually straight can not honestly make the argument that all straights are just "one good argument away from turning gay".
Not straights, but for bi's.
Really, non-gay guys don't really care enough to run an entire political organization to ruin the life of gays. They may vote against gay marriage because of their personal prejudice but they aren't going to go out there and run an organization to "pray away the gay" or actively fight gay rights.
Well that part is true. I haven't politically discussed gayness anywhere but here and I wouldn't vote against gay marriage because, frankly, I just don't give a shit.
Giving a shit is in no way required to post about stuff here though.

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Message 173 of 284 (627411)
08-02-2011 12:11 PM
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08-02-2011 10:55 AM


Nuggin writes:
I guess the thread got moved away from the coffee house.
You might be thinking of Free For All. Moderation is generally looser in Coffee House, but not that loose.

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Message 174 of 284 (627426)
08-02-2011 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by New Cat's Eye
08-02-2011 11:56 AM


Re: Go back to the start
As I explained in the other thread, I have had friends who were recruited into being lesbian and saw it happen first hand. I'm straight and I believe it happens so I know the point you're making is wrong.
This will kick off an entire new wave of attacks but...
Lesbians don't count.
I was clearly talking about gay guys.
Homosexuality is men is a condition of birth. It doesn't change.
Homosexuality in women is not the same thing.
As I pointed out earlier, there is no male version of "LUG". It's a phenomena that just doesn't happen.
Saying that gay guys choose to be gay because you know a chick that went through a lesbian phase is completely misunderstanding the difference between the two groups.
The questions I was asking you to answer was why you totally flipped your position to the exact opposite.
In fact, I never switched my position. I was teasing Stranger and got attacked.
I'm not someone's little bitch. If you come at me, I'm going to attack back.
The fact that I had 3-4 people foaming at the mouth for 3 days trying DESPERATELY to prove that they weren't DESPERATELY trying to prove anything is hilarious.
I haven't politically discussed gayness anywhere but here and I wouldn't vote against gay marriage because, frankly, I just don't give a shit.
And that tells me you are straight.
Meanwhile Marcus Bachmann has built a career around spending a lot of time with gay teens in an attempt to deprogram them through the power of Jesus.
No straight guy is going to pick that as a career. Why? Just like you said. We don't give a shit.

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Message 175 of 284 (627434)
08-02-2011 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 1:12 PM


Re: Go back to the start
Lesbians don't count.
I was clearly talking about gay guys.
Homosexuality is men is a condition of birth. It doesn't change.
Homosexuality in women is not the same thing.
Oh, well I have no idea about that.
What makes you think that? The simple non-observance of male LUG's?
In fact, I never switched my position.
You went from sexuality being a grey scale to sexuality being black and white.
Meanwhile Marcus Bachmann has built a career around spending a lot of time with gay teens in an attempt to deprogram them through the power of Jesus.
No straight guy is going to pick that as a career. Why? Just like you said. We don't give a shit.
The only reasons I can think of are religious or economic ones, or both. But they are there.

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Message 176 of 284 (627438)
08-02-2011 1:56 PM
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08-02-2011 1:48 PM


Re: Go back to the start
What makes you think that? The simple non-observance of male LUG's?
How about for starters there's no term for it. If it was an equal phenomena you'd expect someone somewhere would have mentioned it.
Then there's the complete lack of the "I was going through a phase" comment from guys.
You went from sexuality being a grey scale to sexuality being black and white.
No. I was talking about "gay rights" and "gay marriage".
There isn't a "lesbian marriage" movement. There isn't a "bi marriage" movement. There isn't a "trans-marriage" movement.
I was pointing out that "gay" as a term is an umbrella. Then Stranger made a joke, so I joked back. Then 5 of you asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION. Fuck me if I'm going to copy and paste the same response 5 times in 5 posts.
Then I left for 4 days.
Until one of the gays came on to tell me that as a "straight boy" I wasn't allowed to have an opinion.
At that point, it was ON.
The only reasons I can think of are religious or economic ones, or both. But they are there.
Nah. Think about it.
Let's say you are a straight religious guy and you have a ministry and you are worried about "the kids".
Okay. You are going to set up a "group" for kids in trouble. That group is going to cover kids who listen to devil music, kids who are smoking the drugs, kids who dress like vampires, gay kids and kids who have gotten busted by the police.
You aren't going to set up a group that ONLY deals with gay kids. Why would you?

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Message 177 of 284 (627440)
08-02-2011 2:01 PM
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08-02-2011 1:56 PM


Re: Go back to the start
How about for starters there's no term for it.
Since when do you care whether or not there is a term for something? There IS a term for bi-sexuality, yet you claim it doesn't exist....
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Message 178 of 284 (627441)
08-02-2011 2:06 PM
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08-02-2011 1:12 PM


Your revelation that you were trolling makes it hard to know how to respond to your posts. Are we to assume that you are still trolling, or were there bits of that that you think are true? If the latter, could you please repeat the post with those bits highlighted? Thank you.

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Message 179 of 284 (627442)
08-02-2011 2:07 PM
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08-02-2011 2:01 PM


Re: Go back to the start
Since when do you care whether or not there is a term for something? There IS a term for bi-sexuality, yet you claim it doesn't exist....
No, I claim that it is a sub-set of "gay". I've been EXTREMELY clear about that.
And, in fact, the bi-guys here have copped to it.
There objection is not being called gay. It's being called gay by someone who isn't gay. Straights don't get to have a position apparently. If they do, it's because they are "afraid" of the bi's.

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Message 180 of 284 (627443)
08-02-2011 2:09 PM
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08-02-2011 2:06 PM


Your revelation that you were trolling makes it hard to know how to respond to your posts.
DON'T!
Hell, I've TOLD YOU to not respond!
I've told you multiple times that your response to my posts is just evidence that you want attention. I told you that if you stopped responding, it would be evidence that I was wrong about you guys just wanting attention.
But, you just CAN'T DO IT. Can you?
The attention is just too important to you.
It's deliciously ironic that you guys have spent pages and pages and pages complaining about how unfair it is that I color you as being gay (which you admit to) and wanting attention (which CLEARLY you do).
So, go ahead, make some pissy insult and prove to me that you don't need to reply. Oh shit. You would be doing that in a reply.

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