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Trae
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Message 151 of 284 (627311)
08-02-2011 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 11:30 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Here we've spent an entire weekend with a bunch of you guys droning on ENDLESSLY about your various special labels and special treatment.
Are you pushing for bi-sexual marriage rights? No. Why? Because it's a NON-ISSUE.
Or you just spent a weekend in LA where self-obsession is a past-time. I can’t remember a single case where any bi-sexual has ever felt the need to explain anything to me unasked, apart from a simple statement such as, I’m bi.
People who are Bi are pushing for bi-sexual marriage rights. You might as well have tried to make a point about Hispanics and other minorities getting rights through the black civil rights movement.
If you’re going to apply labels they should be useful. Bisexual tells something about someone’s orientation. Homosexual who sleeps with woman does not convey the same information and is unwieldy. Arguable it doesn’t even describe a bisexual.

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Nuggin
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 152 of 284 (627312)
08-02-2011 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Trae
08-02-2011 2:33 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Bisexual tells something about someone’s orientation. Homosexual who sleeps with woman does not convey the same information and is unwieldy.
Which is why I just stuck to "gay".
The issue is gay marriage. Not gay and bi marriage.

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Trae
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From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 153 of 284 (627313)
08-02-2011 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 9:25 AM


Re: You don't get it.
If you find yourself attracted to the same sex, you are gay. If you are also attracted to other things, you are STILL GAY.
Therefore, If you find yourself attracted to the opposite sex, you are straight. If you're also attracted to other things, you're STILL STRAIGHT. Really? So any gay person who's ever slept with someone of the opposite sex (even if it was rape) is straight?

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Trae
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From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 154 of 284 (627314)
08-02-2011 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 8:40 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Further, the fact that there are gays saying "Yeah, I used to claim to be bi, but it was bullshit" is sorta damning for the rest of the bi's who are claiming to be special and definitely not gay. (except when they call themselves gay or when they want to make a political point - but only they get to say it).
People claim all sort of things. You might as well as say something like, There are no agnostics since many atheists tried to pass as agnostic. Just because some gay people tried to ‘pass’ doesn’t mean there are no bisexuals.

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Trae
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Message 155 of 284 (627316)
08-02-2011 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 2:37 AM


Re: You don't get it.
The issue is gay marriage. Not gay and bi marriage.
The issue is both unless you’re claiming there’s some movement to say bisexuals will be more limit. You cannot be so naive to believe that no bisexuals are supporting gay marriage for their own personal reasons. As I have said, it would be like claiming that no Hispanics supported the Black Civil Rights movement hoping they’d be covered.

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Nuggin
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 156 of 284 (627317)
08-02-2011 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Trae
08-02-2011 2:41 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Therefore, If you find yourself attracted to the opposite sex, you are straight. If you're also attracted to other things, you're STILL STRAIGHT.
No, if you are having sex with members of the same sex, you are gay. Gay marriage applies to you. Gay rights applies to you.
If you are straight, you are exclusively having sex with members of the opposite sex.
If you are gay and want to call yourself "bi", then good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself a "bear", good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself a "twink", good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
If you are gay and want to call yourself some new made up term that only applies to just you and no one else, good for you. Doesn't make you not gay.
It's a category.
I don't really understand what all the bitching is about. If you are a guy and you are having sex with guys - you're gay.
If you really hate yourself so much that you insist that you aren't "officially gay" because you do other things, then you are delving into the world of self involvement.
Just get over it. Get behind gay rights. Stop the in fighting. Stop trying to be better than anyone else. Just focus on getting gay rights passed and move on with your life.

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Nuggin
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Message 157 of 284 (627318)
08-02-2011 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Trae
08-02-2011 2:41 AM


You can rape a gay straight?! Really?!
any gay person who's ever slept with someone of the opposite sex (even if it was rape) is straight
Wow. I'm catching shit for have the gall to be straight and dare to use the term "gay", but this shit is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.
Really?! You're REALLY going to suggest that you can rape a gay and make them straight?
I was ACCUSED to saying that when I was talking about gay vs straight as simple categories.
Here you go and out and out suggest it.
If the gays don't jump down your throat, then we'll know for certain they aren't interested in any sort of rational discussion. All they are after is attacking a "straight boy" for daring to post an opinion - even one in support of gay rights!
Wow. Rape a lesbian to make her straight? Unbelievable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 158 of 284 (627322)
08-02-2011 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 3:12 AM


Re: You can rape a gay straight?! Really?!
Wow. I'm catching shit for have the gall to be straight and dare to use the term "gay", but this shit is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.
Really?! You're REALLY going to suggest that you can rape a gay and make them straight?
I was ACCUSED to saying that when I was talking about gay vs straight as simple categories.
Here you go and out and out suggest it.
If the gays don't jump down your throat, then we'll know for certain they aren't interested in any sort of rational discussion. All they are after is attacking a "straight boy" for daring to post an opinion - even one in support of gay rights!
Wow. Rape a lesbian to make her straight? Unbelievable. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Was that the most massive comprehension fail in the entire history of ever, or just the point at which we should all realize that you're just trolling?

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


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Message 159 of 284 (627323)
08-02-2011 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Trae
08-02-2011 3:02 AM


Re: You don't get it.
The issue is both (gay marriage and bisexual marriage)
Really? I've seen NO BANNERS, NO DEBATES, NO BILLS, NO LAWSUITS, NO RALLIES, NOTHING in support of "bisexual marriage".
If fact, I have yet to find someone who can explain exact what a "bisexual marriage" would be and how it would be different from either a gay or straight marriage.
It seems to me that a bisexual who was marrying someone of the opposite sex could just shut the F up about it and not have to worry at all about getting a license.
Unless of course they were extremely self involved and self important and wanted to raise a giant stink about it just to get attention.
Meanwhile, if they were marrying someone of the same sex, they would be in a gay marriage. No one would question it.
So, where is this mythical "bi-marriage"?
Why is it that the bi's can get gay married if they "definitely aren't gay, let me tell you all about it at length"?

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Nuggin
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 160 of 284 (627324)
08-02-2011 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2011 3:27 AM


Re: You can rape a gay straight?! Really?!
Was that the most massive comprehension fail in the entire history of ever, or just the point at which we should all realize that you're just trolling?
NOW?! NOW you realize I'm trolling?
Seriously?!?
Dude, I got jumped on for being a "straight boy" in favor of gay rights after cracking a joke because someone bitched about bi's being left out of "gay rights".
OF COURSE I'M TROLLING!!!
You guys have been bitching up a storm demanding all sorts of special treatment, making all sorts of declarations about who and what you like to fuck and how unfair it is that someone who doesn't fuck what you fuck could have an opinion.
You really think I'm not going to poke that monkey with a stick?! Seriously?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 161 of 284 (627326)
08-02-2011 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 3:32 AM


NOW?! NOW you realize I'm trolling?
Seriously?!?
Dude, I got jumped on for being a "straight boy" in favor of gay rights after cracking a joke because someone bitched about bi's being left out of "gay rights".
OF COURSE I'M TROLLING!!!
You guys have been bitching up a storm demanding all sorts of special treatment, making all sorts of declarations about who and what you like to fuck and how unfair it is that someone who doesn't fuck what you fuck could have an opinion.
You really think I'm not going to poke that monkey with a stick?! Seriously?
It had indeed never occurred to me that you considered deliberately making a fool of yourself in public as a form of retaliation.
I wonder what would happen if you got really mad --- you'd slap yourself in the face with a custard pie and pour a bucket of whitewash down your trousers?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 162 of 284 (627327)
08-02-2011 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2011 3:54 AM


I wonder what would happen if you got really mad --- you'd slap yourself in the face with a custard pie and pour a bucket of whitewash down your trousers?
You aren't allowed to use the term "mad". Only we are allowed to use the term "mad".
And for your information, custarding is a sexual practice that only the piesexuals are allowed to talk about.
You, a non-piesexual, aren't allowed to mention it or we'll get very upset with you and post ENDLESSLY about how very hard it is for us that you are talking about us and somehow ignoring us all at the same time.
Waaah waaah waaah

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Dr Adequate
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Message 163 of 284 (627328)
08-02-2011 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 3:59 AM


You aren't allowed to use the term "mad". Only we are allowed to use the term "mad".
And for your information, custarding is a sexual practice that only the piesexuals are allowed to talk about.
You, a non-piesexual, aren't allowed to mention it or we'll get very upset with you and post ENDLESSLY about how very hard it is for us that you are talking about us and somehow ignoring us all at the same time.
Waaah waaah waaah
See, now when I'm cross with someone I make them look ridiculous. But perhaps that option wasn't open to you.

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Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2492 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 164 of 284 (627330)
08-02-2011 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2011 4:02 AM


See, now when I'm cross with someone I make them look ridiculous. But perhaps that option wasn't open to you.
You guys wanted attention for claiming that you weren't just seeking attention.
I gave you attention and you kept coming back for more attention to prove that you weren't seeking attention.
I'm sure from your perspective, it was totally normal that you would be _outraged_ by not getting enough attention for having been accused of seeking attention.
For me it was just a beautiful example of a couple of gay boys desperate to claim they were anything but while simultaneously proving my point that "it's all about me" is the (so called) "bi" mantra.
All you guys had to do was walk away to prove you weren't attention starved and yet you're _STILL_ here. And you're STILL claiming you aren't gay.
It's hilarious.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 165 of 284 (627333)
08-02-2011 4:19 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 4:10 AM


You guys wanted attention for claiming that you weren't just seeking attention.
I gave you attention and you kept coming back for more attention to prove that you weren't seeking attention.
I'm sure from your perspective, it was totally normal that you would be _outraged_ by not getting enough attention for having been accused of seeking attention.
For me it was just a beautiful example of a couple of gay boys desperate to claim they were anything but while simultaneously proving my point that "it's all about me" is the (so called) "bi" mantra.
All you guys had to do was walk away to prove you weren't attention starved and yet you're _STILL_ here. And you're STILL claiming you aren't gay.
It's hilarious.
Surely now you've admitted that you're trolling this vitiates whatever effect you were trying to produce?
Well, maybe not. You looked silly then and you look silly now. But the difference is that now you look silly and insincere. So let me know when you want to post anything that you actually mean, and maybe I'll comment on it.

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