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Nuggin
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Message 121 of 284 (626953)
08-01-2011 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2011 11:44 PM


Re: You don't get it.
My dear chap, that is manifestly what you are doing.
Nope. I'm replying to posts directed at me.
If you stopped asking me questions about my opinion, I'd stop giving it to you. Really quite simple.
Instead, you've all gotten the fever for talking about your fancy hats and the little labels you get to put on them, so the thread is a feeding frenzy of "I can say gay" and "I'm mostly bi but sometimes I'm straight" blah blah blah blah blah.
It's _GAY_ marriage. It's _GAY_ rights. It's not BI marriage. IT's not BI rights.
Get over yourselves.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 122 of 284 (626954)
08-01-2011 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 12:05 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Since my participation can only serve as an impediment to the conversation you evidently wish you were having with me, I suggest that you talk quietly to yourself in a corner where my actual opinions won't intrude in any way.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 123 of 284 (626956)
08-01-2011 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 12:08 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Nope. I'm replying to posts directed at me.
And you are doing so by bitching about bisexuals. Oh, and some vegetarians for no readily apparent reason.

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Nuggin
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Message 124 of 284 (626957)
08-01-2011 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2011 12:17 AM


Re: You don't get it.
And you are doing so by bitching about bisexuals.
So, YOUR rational opinion is that when someone asks me a question about bisexuals I shouldn't respond at all since apparently I don't get to use the term.
I wasn't the one that brought it up.
I wasn't the one that brought it up AGAIN.
I wasn't the one that was asking questions.
You've admitted you were wrong. I was willing to let it go at that. Yet you just keep posting.
I've got plenty of money and nothing but free time. I WILL keep responding.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 125 of 284 (626959)
08-01-2011 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 12:26 AM


Re: You don't get it.
So, YOUR rational opinion is that when someone asks me a question about bisexuals I shouldn't respond at all since apparently I don't get to use the term.
I wasn't the one that brought it up.
I wasn't the one that brought it up AGAIN.
I wasn't the one that was asking questions.
You've admitted you were wrong. I was willing to let it go at that. Yet you just keep posting.
I've got plenty of money and nothing but free time. I WILL keep responding.
And apparently you'll keep making up opinions and statements to attribute to me, so as to have something you can respond to. I feel quite superfluous to the process. I'll look in on you from time to time, though, since it is possible that even the bizarre imaginary version of me who lives in your head may be able to kick your ass.

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Nuggin
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Message 126 of 284 (626960)
08-01-2011 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2011 12:39 AM


Re: You don't get it.
And apparently you'll keep making up opinions and statements to attribute to me,
I know it's hard for you when someone DIRECTLY QUOTES YOU in a post. It's sad. I apologize.
Maybe you would do better on a different website. One where people can't cut and paste your words.
Then these sort of statements might be believed by someone.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 127 of 284 (626961)
08-01-2011 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 12:50 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Perhaps you could show me what in this farrago of nonsense ...
So, YOUR rational opinion is that when someone asks me a question about bisexuals I shouldn't respond at all since apparently I don't get to use the term.
I wasn't the one that brought it up.
I wasn't the one that brought it up AGAIN.
I wasn't the one that was asking questions.
You've admitted you were wrong. I was willing to let it go at that. Yet you just keep posting.
I've got plenty of money and nothing but free time. I WILL keep responding.
... was a direct quote or a cut and paste.
I am particularly interested to know where I admitted I was wrong, and about what. I trust I was suitably contrite.

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Nuggin
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 128 of 284 (626962)
08-01-2011 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2011 1:02 AM


Re: You don't get it.
... was a direct quote or a cut and paste.
I refer you instead to the very long post where I go through all your previous posts and quote you.
But, you know, why cite that. After all that would be admitting that I in fact was quoting you directly in those posts.
No, it's much easier for you to play your little bitchy victim game. Woe is me. It's so hard. Heaven forbid anyone suggest that gay rights should include bi-sexuals - doing so would just be denying that I exist.
Everyone look at me! Look at me! Look at me! I'm not self involved at all! Look! See me??! Everyone LOOK! PLEASE LOOK!
Good lord.
I'm starting to think maybe you guys SHOULD be classified as something other than gay. The gays aren't nearly this desperate for attention.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 129 of 284 (626964)
08-01-2011 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 1:18 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Should I take that as a no, then?

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 130 of 284 (626965)
08-01-2011 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Dr Adequate
08-01-2011 1:24 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Should I take that as a no, then?
Take it anyway you like. You're just going to turn around and bitch some more anyway regardless of what I say.
That's why you are here.

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Jaderis
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Message 131 of 284 (626970)
08-01-2011 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Nuggin
07-30-2011 11:34 AM


Re: You don't get it.
I apologize for my ranting and non use of quotes. I was responding from my phone and was highly intoxicated. I hope to respond in a more coherent matter in the near future.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

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Modulous
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Message 132 of 284 (626988)
08-01-2011 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 11:30 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Here we've spent an entire weekend with a bunch of you guys droning on ENDLESSLY about your various special labels and special treatment.
I've not asked for a special label or special treatment. I've just asked that you don't call me a gay man that is too full of himself to limit myself. It's hardly asking for special treatment not to be insulted is it? It's like a black person asking not be called 'uppity'
...they accuse anyone who doesn't use todays special label of being afraid of them.
I didn't accuse you of being afraid of me. I accused you of biphobia. Biphobia is not strictly about fear. As I have already shown you, and you have evidently chosen to ignore.
You admitted yourself that there are gay guys who have had sex with women yet they are still considered "gay".
That's right, because they are only sexually attracted to people of their own sex. That makes them gay. I'm not only sexually attracted to people of my own sex. That makes me not gay. Not rocket science, really.
So you admit that bi-sexuals fall under the banner of "gay rights" but you deny that bi-sexuals should be considered gay.
Correct. And no, this is not a double standard. Obviously, if I want to marry a guy, I want men to be able to marry men.
Or is this a "nigger" thing? Where you can call bi-sexuals gay but no one else can because it's a special word that only you get to use?
I'm not calling bisexual people gay, so no, it is not like that. I am asking not be called a gay person that is full of himself. Some bisexuals may wish to marry someone within their own sex. In order to do this, gay marriage must be legal. Gay marriage is two people of the same sex getting married - it is not a comment on the sexual persuasion of the participants.
A bisexual person might be in a gay relationship, but if they also find the opposite sex attractive they are not gay.
"bi-sexuals" are just a subset of "gay". "Gay rights" (as you've conceded) covers bi-sexual rights. "Gay marriage" covers any issues bi-sexuals have with marriage equality.
If you had straightforwardly said that (and nothing else), I wouldn't have commented. That's because I have never challenged the notion that gay rights would give rights to bisexuals. It's not a concession, it's been my position all along!
Instead you said that bisexual people were basically attention starved gay people that were too full of themselves to limit who pays them attention, which is problematic.
Your chief complaint apparently is that you don't think it's fair that I use the word "gay" to describe bi-sexuals since I am not "gay" myself.
For my chief complaint, its strange how I never once brought it up. Instead, I have been talking about being called too full of myself to limit myself on the number of people that will give me attention.
Yet, despite bitching ENDLESSLY at me about how "bi-sexuals" are super special rare mystical unicorns, you go right on and talk about gay rights including bi-sexuals in the term.
You know when homophobes rant about how gays want special rights, but gays insist they just want equal rights? You're kind of doing that right now.
I am just asking you don't label me as a self-involved, full of myself, attention seeking gay based on nothing but who I find sexually attractive.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 133 of 284 (626997)
08-01-2011 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Modulous
08-01-2011 8:47 AM


Re: You don't get it.
It's like a black person asking not be called 'uppity'
More like an uppity black person asking not to be called uppity and insisting that get a special classification of "high falutin".
I didn't accuse you of being afraid of me. I accused you of biphobia. Biphobia is not strictly about fear. As I have already shown you, and you have evidently chosen to ignore.
Oh, am I making you mad by flaunting your attempt to put a label on me by arbitrarily declaring that the label doesn't fit because I have a special definition.
Boy, that must be so annoying. I WONDER what that's like.
That's right, because they are only sexually attracted to people of their own sex.
How dare you arbitrarily label all gay people that way! Who the hell are you to make those kinds of decisions.
Everyone GET HIM! He's trying to define terms and classify people by the grouping of "gay"!
He's AFRAID! Get him!
I'm not calling bisexual people gay,
So, you don't think bisexuals deserve rights under any legislation that protects gays? If you married a dude, it would be "bisexual marriage" not "gay marriage"
Are you beginning to see why I say this is all terribly self involved?
A bisexual person might be in a gay relationship, but if they also find the opposite sex attractive they are not gay.
If you find yourself attracted to the same sex, you are gay. If you are also attracted to other things, you are STILL GAY.
If you like to ski, you are a skier. If you ALSO like to go sailing, that doesn't make you NOT a skier.
Instead you said that bisexual people were basically attention starved gay people that were too full of themselves to limit who pays them attention,
And instead of letting that go, you spent a weekend screaming "Look at me! This is what I do in the bedroom! Oh god PLEASE pay attention to me! I'm so important! Don't label me as being part of the gay community! I'm part of the gay community, but only I get to say so!"
Yeah, you aren't attention starved at all!
You know when homophobes rant about how gays want special rights, but gays insist they just want equal rights? You're kind of doing that right now.
The difference here is that I'm FOR gay rights. I'm just not going to play games with every individual who wants a special label just for themselves.
I say you're gay, I'm wrong. You say you're gay, you're right.
And I notice you're back on the whole "you're afraid of me" thing. AGAIN.

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cavediver
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Message 134 of 284 (627003)
08-01-2011 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Nuggin
08-01-2011 9:25 AM


Re: You don't get it.
If you find yourself attracted to the same sex, you are gay. If you are also attracted to other things, you are STILL GAY.
Utterly bizarre. Perhaps this is how YOU define gay, but I'm fairly sure that the rest of the world doesn't.

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 135 of 284 (627191)
08-01-2011 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by cavediver
08-01-2011 9:47 AM


Re: You don't get it.
Utterly bizarre. Perhaps this is how YOU define gay, but I'm fairly sure that the rest of the world doesn't.
How would you define "gay" in regards to "gay rights" or "gay marriage"?
What groups fall under the banner of "gay"?
Is "gay" ONLY men who sleep with men? Do we need to next fight for lesbian marriage? Then bi marriage? Then transmarriage? Then pre-op trans marriage?
It's starting to become apparent that the people here who are really homophobic are the self described "bi"s who throw an absolute hissy fit if you dare to suggest they might be "gay". Heaven forbid!

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