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Modulous
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Message 91 of 284 (626877)
07-31-2011 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 3:55 PM


Re: You don't get it.
During the civil rights movement, you didn't see a bunch of "half blacks" complaining about "half black" rights. You didn't see yet another groups of "1/4 blacks" complaining about "1/4 black rights". Nor "1/8ths".
You didn't have the 1/4 blacks attacking the supporters of civil rights because those supporters weren't taking special care to say: "There shouldn't be segregation between black and white, AND ALSO there shouldn't be segregation between 1/4 blacks and whites".
When your special interest group gets so full of itself that it starts attacking supporters instead of opposition, you end up getting exactly what you deserve. Nothing.
So, instead of fighting for gay rights, you are now asking people to fight for gay AND bisexual rights.
I don't recall anyone saying there should be civil rights for bisexuals. All bisexuals care about is that there are civil rights for gay people and straight people and they will naturally have civil rights as a result. I don't plan to marry a guy, but I would like to have the option, and I'd like for other people to have that option too.
We're just asking to not be called promiscuous gays, confused straights or being told we're full of ourselves. It seems like a perfectly reasonable request to me.

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Nuggin
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Message 92 of 284 (626893)
07-31-2011 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by hooah212002
07-31-2011 4:46 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Nuggin, I was asking YOU that question since YOU postulated that bi-sexual persons are just gays that happen to sometimes sleep with the opposite sex.
We don't talk about bi-sexual marriage. We don't talk about bi-sexual rights. We don't talk about bi-sexual-dar.
Just like people from England are Europeans who live in England, bi-sexuals are gays that have sex with opposite sex partners as well.
They are a sub-category.

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Nuggin
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Message 93 of 284 (626895)
07-31-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by fearandloathing
07-31-2011 4:47 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Does this not seem a little over-simplistic to you?
Not at all. My whole point being that if someone is full of themselves, they are too self involved to allow something like a group label to occur.
A self involved vegetarian is a "lacto-ovo-Vegan", or "a vegetarian who will eat fresh water fish", or "I'm on a special diet that excludes things with faces, but snails and clams are okay".
OMG! Enough already. Just say "vegetarian" and be done with it! You don't have to spend so much time and energy trying to carve out a special little place for yourself - it's _self involved_.

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Nuggin
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Message 94 of 284 (626896)
07-31-2011 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by hooah212002
07-31-2011 4:52 PM


Re: You don't get it.
What large group of bisexual people are you referring to?
Apparently the group that insists that they aren't gay at all, and they shouldn't be deemed gay just because they have sex with the same sex. Why? Because "we're special and deserve a special label for our special group."
Self involved.

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hooah212002
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Message 95 of 284 (626897)
07-31-2011 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:15 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Just like people from England are Europeans who live in England..
When did you become a pig ignorant poe? I am sincerely shocked at the level of discourse you have displayed in this thread.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Dr Adequate
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Message 96 of 284 (626898)
07-31-2011 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:18 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Not at all. My whole point being that if someone is full of themselves, they are too self involved to allow something like a group label to occur.
A self involved vegetarian is a "lacto-ovo-Vegan", or "a vegetarian who will eat fresh water fish", or "I'm on a special diet that excludes things with faces, but snails and clams are okay".
OMG! Enough already. Just say "vegetarian" and be done with it! You don't have to spend so much time and energy trying to carve out a special little place for yourself - it's _self involved_.
How dare they. Pigeonholes are there for a reason, people. Diversity just causes confusion in nuggin's noggin. Of course, someone might be telling the truth when they say that they eat cheese and eggs but not meat and fish, but that's no excuse --- they ought to have dietary preferences that nuggin understands, and apparently that isn't one of them. It seems simple enough to me, but then I'm the sort of mega-genius who can grasp erudite concepts like someone being attracted to both genders.
As for the people who die if they eat peanuts, they probably deserve it.

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Nuggin
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Message 97 of 284 (626899)
07-31-2011 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Modulous
07-31-2011 5:04 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Biphobes
THIS is what I'm talking about.
SELF INVOLVED!
Oh my GOD! Someone who points out that your group is involved in gay sex and we're somehow AFRAID OF YOU?!
LOL. Give me a F'in break.
The problem here is you are so self involved you can't handle the idea of being "gay plus". You need to be your own special little group. "We're not gay, we enjoy sex with dudes AND..."
That's GAY PLUS! _GAY_ plus _X_.
You could be "straight plus" but since no one is lumping you in with the straights and fighting for "straight marriage" or "straight rights" or "hate crime protection for the straights", you aren't going to get any of that super important attention that you crave so much.

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Nuggin
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Message 98 of 284 (626901)
07-31-2011 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2011 5:47 PM


Re: You don't get it.
You didn't have anyone denying the existence of mixed-race people either. Maybe they weren't stark raving mad.
There are only two groups of people. People who have sex with the opposite sex exclusively. People who have sex with the same sex exclusively.
There isn't anyone who has sex with both groups.
_THAT_ would be denying you exist.
_THIS_ is what I was saying: "There are gay guys who additionally have sex with women".
THAT is not denying you exist. That's just not giving you special attention because frankly you don't deserve special attention. Why? Because you aren't special.
If you were doing something RADICALLY different, then I'd entertain the argument.
Necrophiliacs have sex with the dead. That's radically different. BUT, I don't HEAR any necrophiliacs bitching and moaning about how fair it is that they all get lumped together. After all, I'm sure there are straight and gay necrophiliacs. Or, from your perspective - straight and gay and special special necrophiliacs.

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frako
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Message 99 of 284 (626902)
07-31-2011 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:27 PM


Re: You don't get it.
or "hate crime protection for the straights", you aren't going to get any of that super important attention that you crave so much.
Haha id love to see a cupple of stereotypical gays bash some straight dudes.
id bash that straight dudes face in but im late for my manicure.
That straight dude is so perverse e has sex with women id beat him up but i might get my new clothes dirty
Ok i know im evil but i still think its funny and i would still like to see it.

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Nuggin
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Message 100 of 284 (626903)
07-31-2011 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2011 5:52 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Apparently they don't even feel the need to mention it until you start telling offensive lies about them.
And now we've come full circle to your claim that bi-sexuals don't have sex with men (or with women).
Show me how I lied when I said that had sex with both. Then we can repeat that same 3-4 pages OVER and OVER with you continuing to claim you didn't say that, then accuse me of *** for saying that they have sex with both.
Won't that be fun.

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Nuggin
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Message 101 of 284 (626904)
07-31-2011 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Modulous
07-31-2011 6:32 PM


Re: You don't get it.
I don't recall anyone saying there should be civil rights for bisexuals. All bisexuals care about is that there are civil rights for gay people and straight people and they will naturally have civil rights as a result.
Given that straight people already have civil rights, the only important part of this claim is your admission that gay rights would INCLUDE BI-SEXUALS.
How DARE you include bi-sexuals in gay rights. After all, don't you know, they are a completely separate group who don't want rights given to gays.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 102 of 284 (626905)
07-31-2011 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:27 PM


Re: You don't get it.
THIS is what I'm talking about.
SELF INVOLVED!
it's you who has this strange obsession with bisexuals, the rest of us are just mocking it.
The problem here is you are so self involved you can't handle the idea of being "gay plus". You need to be your own special little group. "We're not gay, we enjoy sex with dudes AND..."
That's GAY PLUS! _GAY_ plus _X_.
Apparently some sort of phrase is needed to specify bisexuals, or how would you bitch about them? So until you can introduce the phrase GAY PLUS into the English language, the word "bisexual" will continue to be convenient. And much less misleading.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 103 of 284 (626906)
07-31-2011 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:36 PM


Re: You don't get it.
And now we've come full circle to your claim that bi-sexuals don't have sex with men (or with women).
Apparently the voice in your head that you've mistaken for me is tediously repetitive. It lacks the imagination and verve that one associates with real people.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 104 of 284 (626907)
07-31-2011 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:31 PM


Re: You don't get it.
There are only two groups of people. People who have sex with the opposite sex exclusively. People who have sex with the same sex exclusively.
There isn't anyone who has sex with both groups.
_THAT_ would be denying you exist.
Something it would have in common with the claims you actually made, then.
That's just not giving you special attention because frankly you don't deserve special attention. Why? Because you aren't special.
No-one asked you to single out bisexual people for misinformation and abuse. Apparently you decided that they were special in some way. Though not all that special, because I gather that lacto-ovo-vegetarians are bad too.

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Modulous
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Message 105 of 284 (626908)
07-31-2011 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Nuggin
07-31-2011 7:27 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Oh my GOD! Someone who points out that your group is involved in gay sex and we're somehow AFRAID OF YOU?!
Biphobia, like homophobia is not an anxiety disorder like arachnophobia is.
quote:
Biphobia is a term used to describe aversion felt toward bisexuality and bisexuals as a social group or as individuals.
Someone that says all bisexuals are self involved, full of themselves, gay people who don't want to limit themselves would fall under having averse feelings towards bisexuals as a social group.
You could be "straight plus" but since no one is lumping you in with the straights and fighting for "straight marriage" or "straight rights" or "hate crime protection for the straights", you aren't going to get any of that super important attention that you crave so much.
I don't crave attention. I just thought that you might value input from someone claiming to be bisexual. Apparently you'd rather be an arse. Gay people are exclusively attracted to people of their own sex. I am not exclusively attracted to people of my own sex. Therefore I'm not gay.
Given that straight people already have civil rights, the only important part of this claim is your admission that gay rights would INCLUDE BI-SEXUALS.
I never contested that, so why you would think that was an interesting 'admission' is beyond me.
How DARE you include bi-sexuals in gay rights. After all, don't you know, they are a completely separate group who don't want rights given to gays.
What was the point you were trying to make with this hysterical gibberish? Really, I can't understand it at all, could you please make the point in a straightforward manner?

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