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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 16 of 479 (626201)
07-27-2011 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by fearandloathing
07-27-2011 4:53 PM


hooah writes:
Are they whining bitches too?
Yes.
I'm sure you would have protested and signed a petition to stop the mosque being built too.
As always your assumptions are way off.
fearandloathing writes:
I made a quick decision based on less than all the facts, I have said I think I was wrong initially. What is to discuss?? Are you accusing me of being a troll? What is wrong with changing ones mind based on more, or, further interpretation of the available facts?
Dang simmer down. If I was accusing you of something it would looke like this: you are a x. I never said there was anything wrong with it, if you notice I said that is fine, meaning it’s okay to switch sides.
Why are you so defensive?
Jeeze
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Message 17 of 479 (626204)
07-27-2011 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Artemis Entreri
07-27-2011 5:08 PM


Why are you so defensive?
Probably cuase once again I have stuck my foot in my mouth.. I should be used to it by now.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Taq
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Message 18 of 479 (626205)
07-27-2011 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Larni
07-27-2011 1:02 PM


I can't imagine what the atheists seek to gain from suing anyone for putting up a cross.
Any religion should be free to put up their icons as well.
Wheres the beef?
My own community had a similar situation. There was a Ten Commandments display in a public park. None of the atheists in the community, including myself, had a problem with it. Then came the crazy people. They wanted to put up a plaque which Matthew Shepard's picture on it (the homosexual kid who was killed because of his homosexuality) and a verse from the Bible stating how homosexuality was evil. It was a completely disgusting display. Even worse, due to the openness that you state above, they had every right to erect the plaque in the park. Instead of allowing this, the city decided to move the Ten Commandments display out of the public park and ban all religious material from the park.

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Larni
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Message 19 of 479 (626206)
07-27-2011 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Modulous
07-27-2011 2:06 PM


Seems pretty unfair to only allow xians to put up an icon.
Seems the beef has been found.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 20 of 479 (626212)
07-27-2011 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Artemis Entreri
07-27-2011 4:46 PM


its still frivolous garbage
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much, soon to forget it. Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? That the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 21 of 479 (626214)
07-27-2011 6:58 PM
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07-27-2011 6:42 PM


why quote James Madison without giving him credit?
this is hardly government support religion, its a memorial, and these people are nothing more than shit disturbers, they remind me of the westboro baptists.

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Message 22 of 479 (626222)
07-27-2011 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Artemis Entreri
07-27-2011 6:58 PM


You didn't read Modulus' post, did you?
quote:
The September 11 Memorial and Museum will be on a site owned by the
Port Authority. Thus, the Memorial and Museum and its exhibits are a
government action.
quote:
The September 11 Memorial and Museum will be largely funded with
money from the government. Accordingly, actions taken by the September
11 Memorial and Museum also constitute governmental action.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Taq
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Message 23 of 479 (626225)
07-27-2011 7:58 PM
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07-27-2011 5:56 PM


Seems pretty unfair to only allow xians to put up an icon.
Frankly, I could care less. If christians need an idol to worship in order to feel better about themselves then go for it.
What really bothers me is the hypocracy. Remember the mosque that was being built near "Ground Zero"? If christians want the benefit of religious tolerance they should try to exercise it first.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 24 of 479 (626226)
07-27-2011 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Artemis Entreri
07-27-2011 6:58 PM


why quote James Madison without giving him credit?
Anyone who didn't recognize the Memorial And Remonstrance could look it up.
this is hardly government support religion
"Hardly" government support of religion? Is that like being not very pregnant?
its a memorial
Specifically, a Christian memorial.
and these people are nothing more than shit disturbers,
The people who wanted to build a big cross on what is effectively the grave of many Jews and atheists and Muslims were shit disturbers. And this is the shit that they have disturbed.
they remind me of the westboro baptists.
And to do you justice, you couldn't have come up with a more ridiculously inept comparison if you'd tried with both hands for a week.
The WBC are the people who wave signs saying "God Hates America" at the graves of patriots, aren't they? Which is different how from building a cross on the grave of a Jew? True, the cross is more permanent, but I don't see how this palliates the offense.

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Nuggin
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Message 25 of 479 (626227)
07-27-2011 8:24 PM
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07-27-2011 6:58 PM


this is hardly government support religion
Is it an icon for one particular religion? yes.
Is it in a public park owned by and maintained by the government which is paid for by the people? yes.
That's government supported religion.

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Message 26 of 479 (626228)
07-27-2011 8:31 PM
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07-27-2011 8:24 PM


Is it an icon for one particular religion? yes.
Is it in a public park owned by and maintained by the government which is paid for by the people? yes.
That's government supported religion.
If my constitutional knowledge is accurate, this would only be the case if they only allowed christian iconography in a public space, or only subsidized christian monuments.

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Message 27 of 479 (626230)
07-27-2011 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Taq
07-27-2011 8:31 PM


If my constitutional knowledge is accurate, this would only be the case if they only allowed christian iconography in a public space, or only subsidized christian monuments.
NYC is densely populated. A block or two away might as well be a different town.
Yet, there was a huge uproar when Muslims wanted to build a mosque 3-4 blocks away.
You HONESTLY think that it won't be a problem getting a monument with an Islamic symbol erected at ground zero?

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AZPaul3
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Message 28 of 479 (626231)
07-27-2011 9:48 PM
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07-27-2011 8:31 PM


If my constitutional knowledge is accurate, this would only be the case if they only allowed christian iconography in a public space, or only subsidized christian monuments.
Which is the case here is it not?

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Message 29 of 479 (626232)
07-27-2011 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by AZPaul3
07-27-2011 9:48 PM


Is it? Where have the others been disallowed?

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Message 30 of 479 (626234)
07-27-2011 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by New Cat's Eye
07-27-2011 10:16 PM


Where have the others been disallowed?
Are any other symbols displayed on that site?
Why not?

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