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Nuggin
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Message 16 of 284 (625959)
07-26-2011 2:49 PM
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07-26-2011 2:06 PM


Re: You don't get it.
What about bi-sexuality?
What is this a time loop or something?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 17 of 284 (625973)
07-26-2011 3:49 PM
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07-26-2011 2:49 PM


Re: You don't get it.
I don't know if you are straight or not, but speaking from the perspective of a straight man, the who idea that gays could be "recruiting" is just ***.
Only a homosexual could propose such an idea because only a homosexual would consider the idea that they were just one good convincing argument away from riding a rainbow unicorn.
Assuming bi-sexual people exist, you could have non-homosexuals with the idea that arguments could convince people to engage in more homosexual acts.

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fearandloathing
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Message 18 of 284 (625976)
07-26-2011 4:02 PM
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07-26-2011 3:49 PM


Re: You don't get it.
It's not gay if your pitchin or if it is a hustle.
Assuming bi-sexual people exist, you could have non-homosexuals with the idea that arguments could convince people to engage in more homosexual acts.
There might be some people in prison who engage willingly in homosexual acts that wouldn't do so under normal circumstances maybe for money or protection. I guess you could say they got talked into, or talked themselves into it.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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hooah212002
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Message 19 of 284 (625977)
07-26-2011 4:05 PM
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07-26-2011 4:02 PM


Re: You don't get it.
There might be some people in prison who engage willingly in homosexual acts that wouldn't do so under normal circumstances maybe for money or protection. I guess you could say they got talked into, or talked themselves into it.
I wouldn't even agree that engaging in homosexual acts could alone make one homosexual, namely with the example you provided.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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fearandloathing
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Message 20 of 284 (625978)
07-26-2011 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by hooah212002
07-26-2011 4:05 PM


Re: You don't get it.
I wouldn't even agree that engaging in homosexual acts could alone make one homosexual, namely with the example you provided.
I agree, that's why I made a little joke 1st. But I am sure there are lots of people who commit homo acts who aren't gay, porn stars, hookers...They may not be gay but got talked into doing a homosexual act, most likely for money.
Sexual preference shouldn't even be an issue in this day and age, JMO.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 21 of 284 (625980)
07-26-2011 4:18 PM
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07-26-2011 4:02 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Huh, I didn't even think about prison...
But that seems more like "soft rape" than "turning gay"...

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fearandloathing
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Message 22 of 284 (625985)
07-26-2011 4:35 PM
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07-26-2011 4:18 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Yea that's probably why no one ever, far as I know, would ever use that as evidence that you can be turned gay, its just a hustle for porn stars and some prisoners hookers/lot-lizard ect...

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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ZenMonkey
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Message 23 of 284 (626008)
07-26-2011 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by hooah212002
07-26-2011 4:05 PM


Re: You don't get it.
hooah writes:
I wouldn't even agree that engaging in homosexual acts could alone make one homosexual, namely with the example you provided.
They don't.
I think that people are a lot more flexible sexually than is commonly accepted in our culture. Sexual interest and desire exist on a continuum, with lots of shades of gray, and very few people 100% on one end or the other. Other cultures have been perfectly capable of acknowledging same sex activity without resorting to labels. In fact, I'd be willing to assert that most people have fooled around to some extent or another with someone of the same sex at some point in their lives. Women, at least in our culture, are often less conflicted out this. On the other hand, most men are too stressed about not being manly if they admit to enjoying some recreational activities with another guy's dick. Our society is also much harsher on gay men in general, even today when it's not quite so acceptable for a man to be beaten to death for being, or at least seeming to be, homosexual.
To my mind, the difference isn't sexual so much as it is romantic. Even if people are much more capable of enjoying same sex activity than they usually admit, it's rarer for people to want to have a real romantic relationship with someone of the same sex. I certainly know of some exceptions to this - I have one female friend who considers herself quite hetero, but just happens to have fallen in love with and has a serious relationship with another woman. I don't think that she's bi or just not admitting that she's gay. I think that in her case at least, it's the person and not the plumbing that matters the most.

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Taz
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Message 24 of 284 (626010)
07-26-2011 5:56 PM


Just came across this. Thought I'd share. Was laughing so hard.

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Message 25 of 284 (626011)
07-26-2011 5:58 PM
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07-26-2011 4:18 PM


Re: You don't get it.
But that seems more like "soft rape" than "turning gay"...
What exactly is "soft rape"? When did there become different levels of rape?

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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fearandloathing
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Message 26 of 284 (626013)
07-26-2011 6:04 PM
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07-26-2011 5:47 PM


Re: You don't get it.
I think that people are a lot more flexible sexually than is commonly accepted in our culture. Sexual interest and desire exist on a continuum, with lots of shades of gray
How true, let me give a little example, we are all adults so no offense intended if this might be too graphic...
I have a close friend whose marriage got screwed up because he wanted his wife to get a strap-on and do him, to be to the point. There is more to it but basically he liked his butt to be played with and his wife thought that made him gay. After they split up he even experimented around and came to realize he wasn't gay...just wanted his girl to strap on and.... he finally found a girl was into that kind of thing.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Nuggin
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Message 27 of 284 (626022)
07-26-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by New Cat's Eye
07-26-2011 3:49 PM


Re: You don't get it.
Assuming bi-sexual people exist, you could have non-homosexuals with the idea that arguments could convince people to engage in more homosexual acts.
The key thing here being "more".
If someone is already having homosexual sex, they are homosexual. Bi-sexuals are homosexuals who also still have sex with women.
Straight guys are having no sex with guys. So, there's no talking them into having "more".

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Nuggin
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Message 28 of 284 (626023)
07-26-2011 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by fearandloathing
07-26-2011 4:02 PM


Pitchers are so gay
It's not gay if your pitchin
Here's where I disagree.
Everyone makes this claim, but stop and think about it for a minute.
Assuming you aren't gay, you've got to take a look at a dude and maintain an erection. No erection, no sex.
Meanwhile, the catcher may be getting the business end of the deal, but he doesn't have to be inspired in order to do his work.
Pitching is way more gay than catching

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Taq
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Message 29 of 284 (626024)
07-26-2011 7:39 PM
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07-26-2011 5:58 PM


Re: You don't get it.
What exactly is "soft rape"?
When you say "no" afterwards?

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fearandloathing
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Message 30 of 284 (626025)
07-26-2011 7:41 PM
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07-26-2011 7:26 PM


Re: You don't get it.
CS writes:
Assuming bi-sexual people exist, you could have non-homosexuals with the idea that arguments could convince people to engage in more homosexual acts.
Nuggin writes:
If someone is already having homosexual sex, they are homosexual. Bi-sexuals are homosexuals who also still have sex with women.
Straight guys are having no sex with guys. So, there's no talking them into having "more".
I agree the word "more" is misleading, maybe?
Let me ask you what you think of people having gay sex for money? Could it not be said they were talked into performing gay acts, but not necessarily gay? Does this even matter?

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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