Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?

How do you tweak the prophecy of crucifixion or the prophecy of Jews rejecting Jesus and Gentiles accepting Jesus, which is exactly what happened.

If you're going to pull up an old topic at least provide a position concerning the topic that people can respond to.You followed a poor post with a poor post.Debate forum, not 20 questions.Move the debate forward.Thanks
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I know of not a single item in the Gospels or the quran which have been accepted by the world's institutions as vindicated. But I would welcome any premise, concept or law from those scriptures which are correct, good or accepted by any world institutions other than their own, marking the difference between rituals and laws.The only prophesy which can be said to be vindicated the last 3000 years I know of is an ancient declaration made in writing that Israel will return. Also, the premise of NOT A BRICK SHALL STAND has been clearly disproven: there are 1000's of bricks in the western wall today. I hope this is niot seen as a negative factor - after all, belief and religion are only means to test us, how we behave when we are given some play.The greatest prophesy is when a time and date is included.

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How do you tweak the prophecy of crucifixion or the prophecy of Jews rejecting Jesus and Gentiles accepting Jesus, which is exactly what happened.

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I don't see the Jews as rejecting Christianity - they merely remained as Jews, in keeping with their own beliefs, as is their right to do so. They have no negative inclusion in their writings about Christians or Muslims. In fact we can only say that Christianity and Islam rejected each other, and both attacked Jews and their beliefs - because these emerged at the same period and under the same doctrines of the same space-times they mention, but in total contradiction of each other. Both cannot be right; both cannot be divine revelation! At least one is fibbing.Ask yourself if you were a Jew, undergoing numerous existential wars for your beliefs with a host of nations, for 2,000 years and 2,600 years before Christianity and Islam emerged, you would accept the Gospels and/or the quran, which puts a bullet hole in your core beliefs? I doubt it!

Well Jesus was a Jew and claimed to be the Messiah. Who the Jews are still waiting for.

And rightly so since Jesus does not meet any of the requirements to be a messiah.But the thread is about whether there are any Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled by Jesus?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

1) Beast and False Prophet (Papacy & Pope) into lake of fire; #1 & #2.
2) #1 - Revelation 19.20 -- Fall of Babylon on September 20, 1870.
Confirmed in all encyclopedias, under topic, "Italy."
Confirmed in "Dictionary of the Popes," Oxford Press.
Confirmed by Matthew Poole, 1680;
Matthew Henry, 1714;
Elliott, 1832;
B.W. Johnson, 1891;
Halley's Bible Handbook, 1945;
The Belleville News-Democrat (Illinois), a UP article, (2009) "This day in history," The Italians ran the Papacy (Beast) and Pope (False Prophet)
out of Rome on September 20, 1870.
3) #2 - Revelation 20.10. The period of 11 years (Magenta - June 4, 1859; and Battle of Rome, 1870; is being repeated, and reported by the secular press.
6.2 bill;ion financial settlements have been legislated on Catholic Churches since 1950. God is alive and kicking!

Is there a point buried somewhere in that mess?If so, you need to make it a LOT clearer.Adminnemooseus

Isaiah is a perplexing book to decipher because of the chiastic, poetic structure, and some of the symbolic meanings in are lost from the cultural setting because of it being in a different era and by the translation from the original language. Adding to the difficulty, Isaiah goes back and forth to the current circumstances, to near future events, to end times scenarios, often in the same chapters. Jewish and Christian scholars are still trying to decipher all of its meanings.However, there is a consensus in Christianity that the 'suffering servant' was Jesus Christ. If Jesus was betrayed by one of his followers, humiliated by his captors, stripped, flogged with a cat 'o nine tails and had thorns driven into his scalp after being in the Garden of Gethsemane all night while sweating drops of blood from anguish, this torment would be very disfiguring and dehumanizing. It is 'wise' in that he did not yield to the temptation to not 'drink from the bitter cup' and avoid being crucified, thereby making the atoning sacrifice. 'Lifted up' meant being nailed to a cross and being lifted up. After Jesus was resurrected, he became exalted. So according to Christianity, it was fulfilled.If you have been given that same answer a dozen times already, my apologies. I haven't read the entire thread yet.Edited by bridgebuilder, : typos

Sorry but those all seem to be simply quote mining, misrepresentation and taking pieces parts out of context. As a Christian, I'm aware that is how many chapters of Club Christian use or as I believe misuse Isaiah. It is certainly not how Isaiah would have interpreted it.In the OP I included all of Isaiah 52 and not just the part so many Christians seem to quote mine.

Sorry for "quote mining" I was just trying to be concise by using your words. It will take me a while to go through Isaiah 52 and give a more thorough response.

I think the thread was an interesting one and it might be worth taking the time to read through it before trying to tackle any one of the examples. More of the so called prophecies from Isaiah are touched on as well as a discussion of how I believe the term "Prophesy" is misused by many chapters of Club Christian.

Yes this is an interesting topic. I haven't read enough of the thread yet to understand your take on the word "Prophesy." I will do so before responding to the initial post again. What does 'Club Christian' mean? Is this the same thing as the fundamentalists?

There are some sects that support these claims. British-Israelism is one example, though some of its sub-sects were very racist against Jews. There are also some Jews that support this theory, (like britam.org) though not mainstream. Both believe that all the European royalty descended from King David, thus Judah, although I haven't researched this enough to know whether their claims have any merit. This would also make a good topic for a thread, like where are the 'lost tribes' now?

No, Club Christian simply refers to all the different chapters, churches and sects of modern Christianity. There is the RCC Chapter, Henry's Chapter, the Sees of Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, the chapters formed by Calvin and Knox and Luther and Zwingli as well as all the various unrecognized but tacitly accepted unaligned groups that claim membership in the larger Club Christian.All of the various chapters at a minimum claim to adhere to a minimal set of beliefs, most often outlined by the Nicene Creed, but each chapter also has its own local bylaws, dogma and traditions.