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Aware Wolf
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Message 1 of 10 (621619)
06-27-2011 12:19 PM


So, it appears as though there is a major oceanic extinction event just on the horizon: Page not found - IPSO
This seems like incredibly big news, but I’m left wondering what to do about it. I’m not talking about attempts to avert the disaster, but what to do to prepare for its outcome. What would happen if the worst comes to pass? Will the world economy collapse? Will world oxygen levels decrease by half? Will half the world’s population starve to death?
What should I be doing in the mean time? Not to be overly flippant, but should I buy handguns to keep away looters? Convert my land into a self sustaining farm? Or should I just sell my stock in Red Lobster?

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06-27-2011 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aware Wolf
06-27-2011 12:19 PM


I don't think that you should worry. Your kids should, you will be fine.

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Aware Wolf
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Message 4 of 10 (621629)
06-27-2011 3:22 PM
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06-27-2011 2:17 PM


From the report:
The participants concluded that not only are we already experiencing severe declines in many species to the point of commercial extinction in some cases, and an unparalleled rate of regional extinctions of habitat types (eg mangroves and seagrass meadows), but we now face losing marine species and entire marine ecosystems, such as coral reefs, within a single generation. Unless action is taken now, the consequences of our activities are at a high risk of causing, through the combined effects of climate change, overexploitation, pollution and habitat loss, the next globally significant extinction event in the ocean.
So, according to the report, at least some portion of the extinction could come as soon as "within a single generation". What that means exactly I don't know; but I intend to be around 20 years from now. Plus, I would want to know what my kids should expect and plan for.

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Message 5 of 10 (621630)
06-27-2011 3:34 PM
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06-27-2011 12:19 PM


This seems like incredibly big news, but I’m left wondering what to do about it. I’m not talking about attempts to avert the disaster, but what to do to prepare for its outcome. What would happen if the worst comes to pass?
We die. Pretty simple.
Not all at once. But certainly in large numbers.
Expect cannibalism in overpopulated areas which rely heavily on seafood. Japan primarily.
After that, expect areas with heavy population density which import food to start going as rural areas, fearing food shortages they see on the news, stop selling their resources to city dwellers.
Boy, I'm glad I don't have kids.

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Aware Wolf
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Message 6 of 10 (621636)
06-27-2011 4:33 PM
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06-27-2011 3:34 PM


That describes the kind of thoughts that went through my mind as I read about the report: we can’t possibly have this kind of event happen without serious, hardcore negative ramifications for mankind. And yet, as far as I know (which isn’t very far; I’m not a news junkie), nobody is talking about this aspect of it. But how could it fail to be brought up, as important as it is? Maybe I’m being overly paranoid, in which case so are you. But I don’t think so.

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Message 7 of 10 (621640)
06-27-2011 4:40 PM
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06-27-2011 4:33 PM


It's nothing really new. Long long ago in a land far far away when I still worked for the Department of Natural Resources, all the marine Biologists were showing statistics on species after species where the stocks were collapsing. It was not just some species but just about every species.
Now that was almost a quarter century ago and it is still not news.
My guess the answer to "What to do when the oceans die?" is, "Look surprised and ask why no one did anything?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Aware Wolf
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Message 8 of 10 (621644)
06-27-2011 4:52 PM
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06-27-2011 4:40 PM


OK, point taken. I'm certainly not advocating doing nothing. But, assuming that what mankind actually does amounts to nothing, which seems at least plausible, what is the likely outcome? And what kind of "emergency kit" should I throw together?

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Message 9 of 10 (621646)
06-27-2011 5:05 PM
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06-27-2011 4:52 PM


We live in a world that has a lot of inertia built into the system. Even if the oceans do die, expect to see a lag of a quarter to a half century before it becomes a world wide problem. Those nations that depend on the seas for food stocks will get hit first and hardest, so Asia, Coastal Africa and South America will be the canary in the mine. Expect social unrest and wars there. Expect increased migration from areas like South and Central America into the US and Canada. Europe will see increased immigration from Africa and the Middle East and Russia and China from South East Asia and Micronesia.
Nations like Japan and Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia will be hard hit.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Nuggin
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Message 10 of 10 (621648)
06-27-2011 5:16 PM
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06-27-2011 4:33 PM


And yet, as far as I know (which isn’t very far; I’m not a news junkie), nobody is talking about this aspect of it. But how could it fail to be brought up, as important as it is?
Question: Why isn't this important news story being covered?
Answer: His name is Wiener and he took a picture of his wiener. That's News!

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